I will support Universal Health Care when Medical Assisted Aid in Dying is made illegal in the
constitution.
Single Payer is not exactly free. Canada tells their people just kill yourself instead of providing
health care.

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Matthew Munson wrote to All <=-

I will support Universal Health Care when Medical Assisted Aid in Dying
is made illegal in the constitution.
Single Payer is not exactly free. Canada tells their people just kill yourself instead of providing health care.

Might be time to put the crack pipe down for a bit.



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I will support Universal Health Care when Medical Assisted Aid in Dying is made illegal in the
constitution.
Single Payer is not exactly free. Canada tells their people just kill yourself instead of providing
health care.

Healthcare is a human right. I don't see any reason to not support universal healthcare.

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Re: Universal Health Care
By: Matthew Munson to All on Fri Jul 03 2026 13:07:00

I will support Universal Health Care when Medical Assisted Aid in Dying is made illegal in the
constitution.
Single Payer is not exactly free. Canada tells their people just kill yourself instead of providing
health care.

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As a Canadian who to use a non-insignificant amount of public health care...

what???

I agree that MAID is not for everything or everyone, but no one is pushing it as an alternative to care.

A quick search turned up a couple of articles from extremely biases sources, so I would say that this is
some misinformation here.

FYI getting MAID approved is extremely difficult, and one of the requirements is that the patient must VOLUNTARILY
request it, if there is even a hint of coaxing, the request will be rejected.

Also, no one said Single Payer is free, it is paid for with our tax money, I know I am paying for it, it is the same
as insurance, only useable.

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On 7/4/2026 8:35 AM, SHIOPRINCE wrote to Matthew Munson:

I will support Universal Health Care when Medical Assisted Aid in Dying is made illegal in the
constitution.
Single Payer is not exactly free. Canada tells their people just kill yourself instead of providing
health care.

Healthcare is a human right. I don't see any reason to not support universal healthcare.

California is getting broke paying for non citizen health care. If a non citizen of any country they
should get stabilized if an emergency happens, and then send them back home if they don't have
extended clearance to stay.

My personal perspective is its going to get rationed no matter if we pay into the system or not. But
I don't want one perverse incentive to curtail costs. I know California progressives want this to
happen, but if MAID gets banned in our state constitution, id be ok with universal system.
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Re: RE: Universal Health Care
By: Matthew Munson to SHIOPRINCE on Sat Jul 04 2026 03:13 pm

California is getting broke paying for non citizen health care. If a non citizen of any country they should get stabilized if an emergency happens, and then send them back home if they don't have extended clearance to stay.

California is also stuck paying billions in fraud, Billions for a train that goes to nowhere.
Gas taxes are either the highest or 2nd highest in the USA.
Who the F*C* want's to live in a state like California?
Also the mis-managed forrest lands that burn every year.



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shioprince wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

Healthcare is a human right.

No, it's not. ACCESS to health care is a human right. But health care costs money, which means if it's
someone's right, it's someone's obligation to provide. That's called slavery.

I don't see any reason to not support
universal healthcare.

Then you never took any history classes.


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Re: Re: Universal Health Care
By: Dr. What to shioprince on Sun Jul 05 2026 08:46:00

shioprince wrote to Matthew Munson <=-

Healthcare is a human right.

No, it's not. ACCESS to health care is a human right. But health care costs money, which means if it's
someone's right, it's someone's obligation to provide. That's called slavery.

I don't see any reason to not support
universal healthcare.

Then you never took any history classes.

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Health care does cost money, so does roads, schools, public infrastructure of any kind.

It is the obligation of the whole society to help its members, this is not a new or a revolutionary concept.

You, as a member of said society, pay for all these things through your taxes.

The issue is how much of those taxes are allocated and managed properly.

California might be having problems because of management, but not because of the idea of the service.

You are saying "we should not do X, because we suck at managing it", instead of figuring out a way to
do things properly.

There will always be waste in any public programs, but that is expected, as my Public Accounting professor used
to say: "If the goverment is not losing money providing public services, something is seriously wrong"


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Re: Re: Universal Health Care
By: nixx to Dr. What on Sun Jul 05 2026 11:24 pm

Re: Re: Universal Health Care
By: Dr. What to shioprince on Sun Jul 05 2026 08:46:00

Health care does cost money, so does roads, schools, public infrastructure of > any kind.

It is the obligation of the whole society to help its members, this is not a new or a revolutionary concept.

The government is too disorganized to provide universal healthcare.

I do not want to pay for someone else's healthcare. Get a job with insurance. Many have them.

It's not our obligation to help our members. We aren't a biker club

You, as a member of said society, pay for all these things through your taxes.

The issue is how much of those taxes are allocated and managed properly.

California might be having problems because of management, but not because of > the idea of the service.

You are saying "we should not do X, because we suck at managing it", instead of figuring out a way to
do things properly.

There will always be waste in any public programs, but that is expected, as my Public Accounting professor used
to say: "If the goverment is not losing money providing public services, something is seriously wrong"

they can get a job at amazon and have great coverage. i'm not paying for Someone else. Nobody ever paid for me.

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Re: Re: Universal Health Care
By: nixx to Dr. What on Sun Jul 05 2026 11:24 pm

Health care does cost money, so does roads, schools, public infrastructure of any kind.

It is the obligation of the whole society to help its members, this is not a new or a revolutionary concept.

That's crazy thinking, what you're saying here just promotes lazyness and relience on others to take care of people that don't want to work.
I have two brothers that think like that and they have been living off of other people for years.
It's not everone's obligation to take care of everyone else.
My obligation is to take care of myself, and my imediate family.

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