0.7 version is here: https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.13

I promised to re-write my icy* UI layer for a long time
SEEN-BY: 1/100 101 102 103 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 113 114 116 117 118 SEEN-BY: 1/119 120 121 122 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 133 135 136 137 138 SEEN-BY: 1/139 140 141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 152 153 155 156 157 SEEN-BY: 1/158 159 160 161 162 163 164 166 168 169 171 172 174 175 176 177 178 SEEN-BY: 1/181 182 183 186 187 188 189 190 191 193 194 195 197 198 199 200 201 SEEN-BY: 1/202 203 204 205 207 208 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 217 218 219 220 SEEN-BY: 1/222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 234 235 236 237 238 239 SEEN-BY: 1/240 241 242 244 245 246 247 248 249 616 995 2/100 101 102 103 104 SEEN-BY: 2/105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 114 115 116 118 119 120 121 122 123 SEEN-BY: 2/124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 140 SEEN-BY: 2/141 142 143 144 145 146 147 148 149 150 151 152 153 154 156 157 158 SEEN-BY: 2/159 160 161 162 163 164 165 166 167 168 1202 3/100 4/100 106 5/100

Correct link:

https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/PreRelease0.7.99

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

0.7 version is here: https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.13

I promised to re-write my icy* UI layer for a long timey
and the UI library of my choice still hasn't released
the version I need - but I just used their GitHub version to re-write icy_term.

All new UI - more polished & probably broke some things. Threw in
new features/UX. Complete new shaders using WGPU instead of OpenGL -> supports more systems.

When the libraries I need are released I'll switch to 0.8.0 on the new base.

Still have more polising/testing to do but want to give some life signs :).

Great stuff! thanks for keeping this project alive and improving.
For a long moment I thought you're only focused on your pc board server software only.

-h1

... -=Lordz of BooM are back=-

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

Re: The last Icy Term...
By: Omnibrain to All on Thu Oct 30 2025 07:25 am

Howdy,

0.7 version is here: https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.13

I promised to re-write my icy* UI layer for a long time
SEEN-BY: 1/100 2/100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 114 115

For me this is a garbled message, no origin line and seen-by lines showing.

How did you author it?

This is doesnt appear to be a golded example of a bad mail...


...ëîåï
--- SBBSecho 3.29-Linux
* Origin: I'm playing with ANSI+videotex - wanna play too? (21:2/116)

0.7 version is here: https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.13

I promised to re-write my icy* UI layer for a long time

Using it! Couldn't get ssh to connect. Telnet is working fine. If I type
too fast, characters are skipped. There appears to be no clipboard. I
haven't tested file transfers yet.

--
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp,
,wss) (Ports 22,23,110,21,119,999)


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
---
* Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (21:2/148)

0.7 version is here:
https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.13

I promised to re-write my icy* UI layer for a long time
SEEN-BY: 1/100 2/100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112 114 115

For me this is a garbled message, no origin line and seen-by lines showing.

This seems to happen with Mystic just once in a while.

I don't know the cause.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-7
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)

Hey Al!

On Thu, 30 Oct 2025 15:26:30 -0700, you wrote:

0.7 version is here:
https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.13

I promised to re-write my icy* UI layer for a long time
SEEN-BY: 1/100 2/100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 112
114 115

For me this is a garbled message, no origin line and seen-by lines
showing.

This seems to happen with Mystic just once in a while.

I don't know the cause.

I wonder if he tried to edit the message after saving, and before it was sent out. If that is indeed the case, the 'edit' feature isn't retaining echomail properly.

I want to say I've seen this before (maybe once or twice), but I could be way off, too. ;)

Regards,
Nick

... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20250409
* Origin: _thePharcyde telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (21:1/200)

Re: The last Icy Term...
By: Accession to Al on Thu Oct 30 2025 05:34 pm

Howdy,

This seems to happen with Mystic just once in a while.

I don't know the cause.

I wonder if he tried to edit the message after saving, and before it was sent out. If that is indeed the case, the 'edit' feature isn't retaining echomail properly.

I want to say I've seen this before (maybe once or twice), but I could be way off, too. ;)

Would love to get to the bottom of this one.

I see it often, and while it bugs me, the bigger thing I want to fix is that the message wont go through clrghouz, so if I can programmatically identify it, I can let the sender know to try again.

I think I can only trust the msgid as the true sender it seems...


...ëîåï
--- SBBSecho 3.29-Linux
* Origin: I'm playing with ANSI+videotex - wanna play too? (21:2/116)

0.7 version is here: https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.13

I promised to re-write my icy* UI layer for a long time

Does it work with Win 32bit?

... Yeah, but what's the speed of darkness...

--- Renegade v1.35/DOS
* Origin: The Titantic BBS Telnet - ttb.rgbbs.info (21:1/144)

0.7 version is here: https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.13

I promised to re-write my icy* UI layer for a long timey
and the UI library of my choice still hasn't released
the version I need - but I just used their GitHub version to re-write icy_term.

All new UI - more polished & probably broke some things. Threw in
new features/UX. Complete new shaders using WGPU instead of OpenGL -> supports more systems.

Thanks - I'll get it installed and beta test it for a bit on macOS! Great work, and thanks as always, Omnibrain!!



|07p|15AULIE|1142|07o
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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

0.7 version is here: https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.13

w0w; I'll say that 1st impressions - I love the new look/feel! I also think the community needs to rally and get an icy_term (or icy_tools) professional ANSi commissioned - mind if I help with that???

I'll put in a request and see if I can't get someone on it??



|07p|15AULIE|1142|07o
|08.........

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

0.7 version is here: https://github.com/mkrueger/icy_tools/releases/tag/IcyTerm0.7.13

w0w; I'll say that 1st impressions - I love the new look/feel! I also think the community needs to rally and get an icy_term (or icy_tools) professional ANSi commissioned - mind if I help with that???

I'll put in a request and see if I can't get someone on it??

If you can't, I feel invested enough in Mike's work that I'd be willing to
pay ZeusII to do one!

--
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp,
,wss) (Ports 22,23,110,21,119,999)


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
---
* Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (21:2/148)

Great stuff! thanks for keeping this project alive and improving.
For a long moment I thought you're only focused on your pc board server software only.

This is true, but I saw that an iced release is on it's way. However I thought that they're releasing this month.

I wanted to have icy_board ready this halloween - maybe next year :). However I need feedback for ib.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

Using it! Couldn't get ssh to connect. Telnet is working fine. If I type too fast, characters are skipped. There appears to be no
clipboard. I haven't tested file transfers yet.

SSH works for me - y characters are a problem - see it while typing. Will look into it. Clipboard should work but there seems to be a bug in the library I use. Don't test transfer - I've already fixed some issues.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

w0w; I'll say that 1st impressions - I love the new look/feel! I also think the community needs to rally and get an icy_term (or icy_tools) professional ANSi commissioned - mind if I help with that???

y but there is still a lot to do - it's basically a rewrite. But I thought giving some life signs is worth it. I can need any help :). When the new base works I'll update the other tools too.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

For me this is a garbled message, no origin line and seen-by lines showing.

Just with the 20fob message editor.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

Does it work with Win 32bit?

I don't know - someone needs to test/compile.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

Re: Re: The last Icy Term...
By: Omnibrain to deon on Thu Oct 30 2025 11:04 pm

Howdy,

Just with the 20fob message editor.

What's that? An external editor?


...ëîåï
--- SBBSecho 3.29-Linux
* Origin: I'm playing with ANSI+videotex - wanna play too? (21:2/116)

I'll put in a request and see if I can't get someone on it??

If you can't, I feel invested enough in Mike's work that I'd be willing
to pay ZeusII to do one!

Not needed to - it's just a hobby :) - yeah found the keyboard issue. Typing is now working.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

This seems to happen with Mystic just once in a while.

I don't know the cause.

I wonder if he tried to edit the message after saving, and before it was sent out. If that is indeed the case, the 'edit' feature isn't retaining echomail properly.

If it happened more regularly it would be easier to say, but it's rare.

I want to say I've seen this before (maybe once or twice), but I could be way off, too. ;)

I was having a convo with someone and more than one of his replies seem to end mid thought. No tear or origin line.

It'd be great if we could find a cause and pass the info on to g00r00 once he returns.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-7
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)

What's that? An external editor?

No it's the one of the bbs - mystic standard one I suppose.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

Using it! Couldn't get ssh to connect. Telnet is working fine.

Just tested ssh - seems to work - could connect to your bbs :). But may be that my version is more recent hard to tell. I gave SSH a quick test before the 0.7.99 release.

I hope that 0.8.0 will be ready before x-mas. As well as icyview - I can't promise to get icy draw ported over.

Just wanted to have something shown what I currently work at :).

Nice that you supported IEMSI - could test/fix/improve it with your system.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

w0w; I'll say that 1st impressions - I love the new look/feel! I also think the community needs to rally and get an icy_term (or icy_tools) professional ANSi commissioned - mind if I help with that???

I can ask grymmjack - maybe he has interest in helping out.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

w0w; I'll say that 1st impressions - I love the new look/feel! I also think the community needs to rally and get an icy_term (or icy_tools) professional ANSi commissioned - mind if I help with that???

If you can't, I feel invested enough in Mike's work that I'd be willing
to pay ZeusII to do one!

ZII does great 80x25 screens, too... hmmm.



|07p|15AULIE|1142|07o
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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

w0w; I'll say that 1st impressions - I love the new look/feel! I also think the community needs to rally and get an icy_term (or icy_tools) professional ANSi commissioned - mind if I help with that???

y but there is still a lot to do - it's basically a rewrite. But I
thought giving some life signs is worth it. I can need any help :). When the new base works I'll update the other tools too.

Kk.

I have a [small!] list of things I notice about the new release that I'm gonna keep up-to-date as I use it. First notes;

It needs to scale when I drag the window larger - or, am I missing some way to enlarge the actual [ANSi] screen???

When Mystic BBSes have those carosel text animations on a menu, keyboard presses aren't always recognized... on 2oFBs Main Menu, for example, its VERY hard to get "/?" [or /anything] entered...

Love the rewrite - and you know I write down every little thing, but only trying to help!



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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

w0w; I'll say that 1st impressions - I love the new look/feel! I also think the community needs to rally and get an icy_term (or icy_tools) professional ANSi commissioned - mind if I help with that???

I can ask grymmjack - maybe he has interest in helping out.

Kk - no worries. Shurato also said he'd be willing to hire ZeusII; either way, we're here if you need any help!

I can also write documentation - but dunno if thats needed!



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--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

Using it! Couldn't get ssh to connect. Telnet is working fine.

Just tested ssh - seems to work - could connect to your bbs :). But may be that my version is more recent hard to tell. I gave SSH a quick test before the 0.7.99 release.

Yeah, it was my fault. I hadn't set up a new firewall rule after setting up the malwarebyts plug-in for the windows firewall with outbound rules
mandatory for traffic.

--
Shurato, Sysop Shurato's Heavenly Sphere (ssh, telnet, pop3, ftp,nntp,
,wss) (Ports 22,23,110,21,119,999)


*** THE READER V4.50 [freeware]
---
* Origin: Shurato's Heavenly Sphere telnet://shsbbs.net (21:2/148)

It needs to scale when I drag the window larger - or, am I missing some way to enlarge the actual [ANSi] screen???

y it should. Try to make the window larger. I added an option for scaling - I've integer scaling now you can opt out of it. Having integer scaling scales 2x, 3x, 4x etc. that gives better results but leaves space.

When Mystic BBSes have those carosel text animations on a menu, keyboard presses aren't always recognized... on 2oFBs Main Menu, for example, its VERY hard to get "/?" [or /anything] entered...

already fixed.

Love the rewrite - and you know I write down every little thing, but only trying to help!

y ty - it's not finished that's why I gave it a strange version number. Just a dev. pre release for halloween :). It's blocked by upstream libs atm.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

I can also write documentation - but dunno if thats needed!

This is a good question. I try to make an intuitive easy to use UI. But as a dev you've an other perspective to things.

I like that ppl are using it :). I would like to work more on my bbs things but it's always competing with other spare time activities :/. So giving input surely helps. Now that I've made the WGPU switch for the ansi rendering I hope to give the ansi tools a bit more attention.

Next thing to update is icy view. I take the opportunity to bring the baud emulation to that - rewrote it yesterday for icy term to feel more like a modem. If you've more ideas for the viewer let me know.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
* Origin: 2o fOr beeRS bbs>>>20ForBeers.com:1337 (21:2/150)

Hey deon!

On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 09:55:44 +1100, you wrote:

I see it often, and while it bugs me, the bigger thing I want to fix is
that the message wont go through clrghouz, so if I can programmatically identify it, I can let the sender know to try again.

I think what you're seeing recently (besides this one that doesn't seem to use an external editor) is a misconfigured Golded. Either way, Mystic should append an origin line to echomail messages if there isn't one already..

I think I can only trust the msgid as the true sender it seems...

I'm not sure, but you could look at some more recent tossers like sbbsecho and HPT to see how they do it.

Obviously not sending an origin line in an echomail message is wrong, but it should probably still be allowed to pass.

Regards,
Nick

... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20250409
* Origin: _thePharcyde telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (21:1/200)

Hey Al!

On Fri, 31 Oct 2025 00:21:26 -0800, you wrote:

If it happened more regularly it would be easier to say, but it's rare.

True. It's also rare people edit their messages. :)

I was having a convo with someone and more than one of his replies seem
to end mid thought. No tear or origin line.

There's two different situations going on here. One of which we know the cause.

1) When using an external editor (ie Golded), the settings in Golded take precedence. If you don't set a tearline or origin line in Golded itself, Mystic will pass on the message without them. Mystic should know that if there isn't an origin line on an echomail message, it should append it's own.

2) Very rare was the one we just saw, where no external editor was listed in the kludges. This could mean it's something internal to Mystic itself, like editing a message that hasn't been tossed yet, etc.

I believe if you disable the PID kludge in Golded, it automatically appends an origin line. You can also specify to use both the origin line and the PID kludge, but I don't think you can disable both on an echomail message. Either way, Golded let's you know somehow that the message originated there. So I don't think the second one would have anything to do with Golded.

As the OP of that message has stated, he was using the message editor at 20FB, which I assume would have been Mystic's built in editor (probably modified, though).

It'd be great if we could find a cause and pass the info on to g00r00
once he returns.

s/once/if..

Regards,
Nick

... Sarcasm: because beating people up is illegal.
--- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20250409
* Origin: _thePharcyde telnet://bbs.pharcyde.org (Wisconsin) (21:1/200)

I was having a convo with someone and more than one of his replies seem
to end mid thought. No tear or origin line.

There's two different situations going on here. One of which we know the cause

1) When using an external editor (ie Golded), the settings in Golded take precedence. If you don't set a tearline or origin line in Golded itself, Mystic will pass on the message without them. Mystic should know that if there isn't an origin line on an echomail message, it should append it's own.

I am guilty of sending out messages without tear/origin lines when I first setup golded with Synchronet.

If I am correct (and I might not be) The person I was messaging with was using a stock Mystic BBS.

I told him what I was seeing but never got any feed back about it. I don't think the OP was sure what or why either.

2) Very rare was the one we just saw, where no external editor was listed in the kludges. This could mean it's something internal to Mystic itself, like editing a message that hasn't been tossed yet, etc.

This is what I am thinking but I have no way to know.

As the OP of that message has stated, he was using the message editor at 20FB, which I assume would have been Mystic's built in editor (probably modified, > though).

If it continues to happen the operator of 20FB might be able to shine a light.

It'd be great if we could find a cause and pass the info on to g00r00
once he returns.

s/once/if..

It's always a little scary when g00r00 goes silent. I suppose he is busy in RL but I suspect and hope that he will return at some point.

--- BBBS/Li6 v4.10 Toy-7
* Origin: The Rusty MailBox - Penticton, BC Canada (21:4/106)