• FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and the future?

    From paulie420@21:2/150 to All on Friday, November 29, 2024 19:44:48
    I've been rewatching the original BBS documentary - especially part 2 about FidoNet, Ken Kaplan and the others who helped build FidoNet and beyond... after all the fire posts and shitstorms.

    While I carried FidoNet on my BBS in 1993, I wasn't around for the end. I remember carrying some other nets linked to Telegard and Renegade BBS softwares - when did the Fido protocol get ported or started to be used by other nets?

    Was it back then - I remember those Fido-like nets I mentioned... and others; WWiV, etc.

    Anyone remember the story of the breakdown and how it became 'open source' or at least used by other FTNs???



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  • From Gregory Deyss@21:1/127 to paulie420 on Monday, December 02, 2024 17:45:16
    On 29 Nov 2024, paulie420 said the following...

    I've been rewatching the original BBS documentary - especially part 2 about FidoNet, Ken Kaplan and the others who helped build FidoNet and beyond... after all the fire posts and shitstorms.
    I too have often enjoyed re-watching episode 4 of 8 of the BBS documentary covering Fidonet on youtube.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng0NE4lDP2U&t=983s

    While I carried FidoNet on my BBS in 1993, I wasn't around for the end.
    End? The story continues.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Gregory Deyss on Monday, December 02, 2024 18:44:36
    I too have often enjoyed re-watching episode 4 of 8 of the BBS
    documentary covering Fidonet on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng0NE4lDP2U&t=983s

    Have you checked out the 'new' 8-part BBS documentary 'Back to the BBS'? Hyjinx, of Al's Geek Lab BBS/Youtube Channel, recorded a really nice 'current day' BBS doc.

    https://youtu.be/n0OwGSX2IiQ?si=8zKb5KYqbSBF4OlG

    Its really good.



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  • From paul@21:3/195 to paulie420 on Tuesday, December 03, 2024 07:13:39
    Have you checked out the 'new' 8-part BBS documentary 'Back to the BBS'? Hyjinx, of Al's Geek Lab BBS/Youtube Channel, recorded a really nice 'current day' BBS doc.

    https://youtu.be/n0OwGSX2IiQ?si=8zKb5KYqbSBF4OlG


    Looks intersting. Will give it a watch ;)

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  • From Gregory Deyss@21:1/127 to paulie420 on Tuesday, December 03, 2024 07:25:29
    On 02 Dec 2024, paulie420 said the following...

    I too have often enjoyed re-watching episode 4 of 8 of the BBS documentary covering Fidonet on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng0NE4lDP2U&t=983s

    Have you checked out the 'new' 8-part BBS documentary 'Back to the BBS'? Hyjinx, of Al's Geek Lab BBS/Youtube Channel, recorded a really nice 'current day' BBS doc.

    https://youtu.be/n0OwGSX2IiQ?si=8zKb5KYqbSBF4OlG

    Its really good.
    Thank You for this, I will check it out.

    Originally when I reading messages, I was thinking about looking for any thread that talked about creating a way to bring email to my mystic bbs system.
    Is this possible now, or perhaps in the future.
    I though it would be a neat idea.

    Thanks in advance,
    Greg

    ... Still waitng for that Coffee :)

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  • From k9zw@21:1/210 to paulie420 on Tuesday, December 03, 2024 14:40:39
    On 29 Nov 2024, paulie420 said the following...

    I've been rewatching the original BBS documentary - especially part 2 about FidoNet, Ken Kaplan and the others who helped build FidoNet and beyond... after all the fire posts and shitstorms.

    While I carried FidoNet on my BBS in 1993, I wasn't around for the end. I remember carrying some other nets linked to Telegard and Renegade BBS softwares - when did the Fido protocol get ported or started to be used
    by other nets?

    It was before that, but I also pulled the plug about the time that sysops started getting arrested for crap that users left on their BBSes.

    ... One tequila, two tequila, three tequila, floor.

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to k9zw on Tuesday, December 03, 2024 18:54:59
    It was before that, but I also pulled the plug about the time that sysops started getting arrested for crap that users left on their BBSes.

    I kinda came along to BBSes JUST after that stuff was going on. (There was still many more busts after, but...) I came onto the scene in 1993 - when the in thing was more textmode than warez. (Altho that still existed!)

    I don't think it was ever a good idea to go after hordes of 18 y/o's who were highly intelligent albeit going down the wrong road... right when I got hip to the 'scene' it was the end of raids and whatnot. Altho I was involved in a few BBSes that were visited by three letter agencies.

    I feel bad for the real ones, like Rusty N Edies - who weren't really pirates but their users had software that slipped through the cracks. They WEREN'T 18 y/o's and it really affected their adult lives.

    They were the pioneers, caught up in a w0rld of shit. The man wanted to crack on piracy, hacking, phreaking and anything they didn't understand. Sure there was tons of bad stuff going on - but the vast majority was technology moving faster than the man knew how to understand.

    Ugh. :P



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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Paulie420 on Tuesday, December 03, 2024 23:33:36
    On 03 Dec 24 18:54:59, Paulie420 said the following to K9Zw:

    They were the pioneers, caught up in a w0rld of shit. The man wanted to crac on piracy, hacking, phreaking and anything they didn't understand. Sure ther was tons of bad stuff going on - but the vast majority was technology moving faster than the man knew how to understand.

    That crackdown still happens today, at least in Canada. ISP's have it in
    their AUP's that one is not permitted to have any files of a hacking/phreaking nature hosted on their infrastructure. Doesn't matter if all those files from the 80's/90's are obsolete/completely useless nowadays.

    Atreyu

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Atreyu on Wednesday, December 04, 2024 19:21:31
    That crackdown still happens today, at least in Canada. ISP's have it in their AUP's that one is not permitted to have any files of a hacking/phreaking nature hosted on their infrastructure. Doesn't matter
    if all those files from the 80's/90's are obsolete/completely useless nowadays.

    Like CURRENT DAY hacking/phreaking infoz/files, or even 40 year old data/infoz that aren't even a thing in modern tech???

    I have a copy of the Anarchists Cookbook - is it gonna be as bad as when I was in high school?? (Yea, I got in trouble for my copy in 1992!)



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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Paulie420 on Wednesday, December 04, 2024 23:18:35
    On 04 Dec 24 19:21:31, Paulie420 said the following to Atreyu:

    That crackdown still happens today, at least in Canada. ISP's have it i their AUP's that one is not permitted to have any files of a hacking/phreaking nature hosted on their infrastructure. Doesn't matter if all those files from the 80's/90's are obsolete/completely useless nowadays.

    Like CURRENT DAY hacking/phreaking infoz/files, or even 40 year old data/inf that aren't even a thing in modern tech???

    Yup....

    As someone running a hosting business out of his tiny apartment.... Its just not worth "risking it" with my ISP by putting that nonsense up for download.

    I wrote all kinds of code to integrate Searchlight's Spinnaker web-server with Renegade and D'Bridge - For the sole purpose of putting massive archives of Echomail and Usenet groups for public access. I could turn this on seconds. Had Spinnaker running flawlessly where it looked better than SBBS's web stuff.

    All of that stopped when I carefully reviewed my ISP's AUP regarding what is a grey area of offensive content or things that could be construed as illegal or problematic from their perspective. Goodies I have here like the complete archive of alt.suicide.holiday or the many alt.flame.[insert ethnicity] groups for example. You *cannot* host these things on the web on a Canadian ISP.

    Atreyu

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Atreyu on Wednesday, December 04, 2024 21:33:28
    BY: Atreyu (21:1/176)

    |11A|09> |10problematic from their perspective. Goodies I have here like the|07 |11A|09> |10complete|07
    |11A|09> |10archive of alt.suicide.holiday or the many alt.flame.[insert ethnicity]|07
    |11A|09> |10groups|07
    |11A|09> |10for example. You *cannot* host these things on the web on a Canadian|07
    |11A|09> |10ISP.|07
    How about using a Virtual server and have that stuff hosted in the usa?


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Atreyu on Wednesday, December 04, 2024 22:33:55
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and the future
    By: Atreyu to Paulie420 on Wed Dec 04 2024 11:18 pm

    Had Spinnaker running flawlessly where it looked better than SBBS's web stuff.

    Screenshots or it didn't happen. :-)
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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Digital Man on Thursday, December 05, 2024 10:14:16
    On 04 Dec 24 22:33:55, Digital Man said the following to Atreyu:

    Had Spinnaker running flawlessly where it looked better than SBBS's web stuff.

    Screenshots or it didn't happen. :-)

    Ha! Rob peels off the mask, reveals himself to be Jas Hud. ;)

    Administration of Borland Paradox and Spinnaker tables: https://www.darkrealms.ca/spinweb1.png

    Generating Spinnaker databases from Renegade and D'Bridge: https://www.darkrealms.ca/spinweb2.png

    Simple home page:
    https://www.darkrealms.ca/spinweb3.png

    Simple message demo:
    https://www.darkrealms.ca/spinweb4.png
    https://www.darkrealms.ca/spinweb5.png

    You get the idea.

    Atreyu

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Utopian Galt on Thursday, December 05, 2024 12:11:35
    On 04 Dec 24 21:33:28, Utopian Galt said the following to Atreyu :

    How about using a Virtual server and have that stuff hosted in the usa?

    Haven't found one yet with an AUP that covers it.

    Atreyu

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Atreyu on Thursday, December 05, 2024 10:43:28
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and the future
    By: Atreyu to Digital Man on Thu Dec 05 2024 10:14 am

    On 04 Dec 24 22:33:55, Digital Man said the following to Atreyu:

    Had Spinnaker running flawlessly where it looked better than SBBS's web stuff.

    Screenshots or it didn't happen. :-)

    Ha! Rob peels off the mask, reveals himself to be Jas Hud. ;)

    Whoa there! I didn't disapparage your family members. :-)

    Administration of Borland Paradox and Spinnaker tables: https://www.darkrealms.ca/spinweb1.png

    Generating Spinnaker databases from Renegade and D'Bridge: https://www.darkrealms.ca/spinweb2.png

    Simple home page:
    https://www.darkrealms.ca/spinweb3.png

    Simple message demo:
    https://www.darkrealms.ca/spinweb4.png https://www.darkrealms.ca/spinweb5.png

    You get the idea.

    Cool. I don't see anything there that looks "better than SBBS's web stuff" (e.g. web.synchro.net), but beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
    --
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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Digital Man on Friday, December 06, 2024 07:41:16
    Cool. I don't see anything there that looks "better than SBBS's web
    stuff" (e.g. web.synchro.net), but beauty is in the eye of the
    beholder. --

    I read sbbs to be searchlight bbs in this instance.

    Andrew

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to apam on Thursday, December 05, 2024 13:44:50
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: apam to Digital Man on Fri Dec 06 2024 07:41 am

    Cool. I don't see anything there that looks "better than SBBS's web stuff" (e.g. web.synchro.net), but beauty is in the eye of the
    beholder. --

    I read sbbs to be searchlight bbs in this instance.

    Oh, that didn't occur to me. I'm kind of used to "SBBS" sometimes (very rarely now) referring to SuperBBS, but I'd never seen Searchlight referred to as "SBBS". If that's the case, my bad. :-)
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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Digital Man on Friday, December 06, 2024 08:14:48
    Oh, that didn't occur to me. I'm kind of used to "SBBS" sometimes (very rarely now) referring to SuperBBS, but I'd never seen Searchlight
    referred to as "SBBS". If that's the case, my bad. :-)

    I'm just guessing given the context, so might be wrong. I usually see
    SLBBS as a shortening of searchlight.

    Andrew


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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Atreyu on Thursday, December 05, 2024 18:38:24
    All of that stopped when I carefully reviewed my ISP's AUP regarding
    what is a grey area of offensive content or things that could be
    construed as illegal or problematic from their perspective. Goodies I
    have here like the complete archive of alt.suicide.holiday or the many alt.flame.[insert ethnicity] groups for example. You *cannot* host these things on the web on a Canadian ISP.

    If you need any help.... :P



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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Paulie420 on Thursday, December 05, 2024 23:33:05
    On 05 Dec 24 18:38:24, Paulie420 said the following to Atreyu:

    All of that stopped when I carefully reviewed my ISP's AUP regarding what is a grey area of offensive content or things that could be construed as illegal or problematic from their perspective. Goodies I have here like the complete archive of alt.suicide.holiday or the many alt.flame.[insert ethnicity] groups for example. You *cannot* host thes things on the web on a Canadian ISP.

    If you need any help.... :P

    Appreciate the offer but I've got bigger fish to fry at the moment... looking at moving outta here to suburbia.

    But I've yet to see a hosting company without some sort of restrictive AUP. As soon as you see lingo relating to offensive or "hate speech" its no dice. Doesn't matter if you're a digital hoarder and you want to preserve a snapshot of history, that wild-west of the 90's Usenet and Echomail and all that.

    Not to get off on a rant but I'm worried that one day, ISP's will restrict Telnet entirely. Eventually no ISP will give any understanding to some weirdo running a "bulletin board system" on port 23. It will be lumped into that security-risk catagory along with Cisco routers, IP cameras, IOT etc.

    Atreyu

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  • From Dreamweaver@21:1/144 to Digital Man on Thursday, December 05, 2024 14:20:01
    Ha! Rob peels off the mask, reveals himself to be Jas Hud. ;)


    AHHAHAHAHAHHAHA

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Atreyu on Saturday, December 07, 2024 19:53:56
    Appreciate the offer but I've got bigger fish to fry at the moment... looking at moving outta here to suburbia.

    Nice

    But I've yet to see a hosting company without some sort of restrictive AUP. As soon as you see lingo relating to offensive or "hate speech" its no dice.

    Not to get off on a rant but I'm worried that one day, ISP's will
    restrict Telnet entirely. Eventually no ISP will give any understanding to some weirdo running a "bulletin board system" on port 23. It will be lumped into that security-risk catagory along with Cisco routers, IP cameras, IOT etc.

    I hear ya - but hopefully there will ALWAYS be options to run whatever we want. While the big guys might continue to move that way, I'm sure we'll be able to find, use or build solutions that keep US running. :P



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to paulie420 on Sunday, December 08, 2024 15:46:45
    paulie420 wrote to Atreyu <=-

    Not to get off on a rant but I'm worried that one day, ISP's will
    restrict Telnet entirely. Eventually no ISP will give any understanding to some weirdo running a "bulletin board system" on port 23. It will be lumped into that security-risk catagory along with Cisco routers, IP cameras, IOT etc.

    I hear ya - but hopefully there will ALWAYS be options to run whatever
    we want. While the big guys might continue to move that way, I'm sure we'll be able to find, use or build solutions that keep US running. :P

    I miss the days when "being on the internet" meant participating in a
    grand experiment, instead of consuming content. The fact that Comcast
    has succeeded for years selling wildly assymetrical cable service
    confirms that the latter is working for most people.



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  • From Mickey@21:1/159 to Atreyu on Monday, December 09, 2024 21:07:57
    Not to get off on a rant but I'm worried that one day, ISP's will restrict Telnet entirely. Eventually no ISP will give any understanding to some weirdo running a "bulletin board system" on port 23. It will be lumped into that security-risk catagory along with Cisco routers, IP cameras, IOT etc.

    I agree, especially in Canada. I believe it to be inevitable.

    Free Speech for Everyone?

    Mick Manning
    @ Mick's Place
    centralontarioremote.net:23
    https://centralontarioremote.net

    ... How do I set my laser printer to stun?

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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Mickey on Monday, December 09, 2024 22:15:51
    On 09 Dec 24 21:07:57, Mickey said the following to Atreyu:

    Not to get off on a rant but I'm worried that one day, ISP's will restrict Telnet entirely. Eventually no ISP will give any understanding to some weird running a "bulletin board system" on port 23. It will be lumped into that security-risk catagory along with Cisco routers, IP cameras, IOT etc.

    I agree, especially in Canada. I believe it to be inevitable.

    Free Speech for Everyone?

    Only if you carry the party-line. Thats what scary my friend.

    Atreyu

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Mickey on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 20:39:49
    BY: Mickey (21:1/159)

    |11M|09> |10Not to get off on a rant but I'm worried that one day, ISP's will|07
    |11M|09> |10restrict|07
    |11M|09> |10Telnet entirely. Eventually no ISP will give any understanding to some|07
    |11M|09> |10weirdo|07
    |11M|09> |10running a "bulletin board system" on port 23. It will be lumped into|07
    |11M|09> |10that|07
    I run on a port that is not 23 because I get tired of script kiddles spamming my bbs.


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  • From paul@21:3/195 to Utopian Galt on Thursday, December 12, 2024 11:06:18
    I run on a port that is not 23 because I get tired of script kiddles spamming my bbs.

    Me as well. I think its best to use an non standard port, anyway. Just to keep the children at bay :)

    ... Isn’t it a bit unnerving that doctors call what they do "practice"?

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  • From Mickey@21:1/159 to paul on Thursday, December 12, 2024 18:33:35
    On 12 Dec 2024, paul exclaimed the following...

    I run on a port that is not 23 because I get tired of script kiddles spamming my bbs.

    Me as well. I think its best to use an non standard port, anyway. Just
    to keep the children at bay :)

    It doesn't matter. The script kiddies, as you call them, are just other servers pinging for open ports. They'll find you no matter which port you move it to.

    Mick Manning
    @ Mick's Place
    centralontarioremote.net:23
    https://centralontarioremote.net

    ... Marriage is one of the chief causes of divorce

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  • From paul@21:3/195 to Mickey on Thursday, December 12, 2024 20:24:55
    It doesn't matter. The script kiddies, as you call them, are just other servers pinging for open ports. They'll find you no matter which port
    you move it to.


    Sadly,that's a very true point.

    ... Do device drivers need a chauffeur's license?

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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Mickey on Friday, December 13, 2024 12:48:52
    It doesn't matter. The script kiddies, as you call them, are just other servers pinging for open ports. They'll find you no matter which port
    you move it to.

    Except they're not looking for BBSes, most of those port scanners are
    looking for vulnerable services. It takes time to scan 65355 ports, so
    it's much quicker to only scan the ones you know the vulnerable services
    you are looking for are running on.

    Yes, I still get port scans on port 2323, I get a LOT less than on port
    23.

    I got almost none when using port 11892.

    Andrew

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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Paul on Thursday, December 12, 2024 19:57:36
    BY: paul (21:3/195)

    |11p|09> |10Me as well. I think its best to use an non standard port, anyway. Just|07
    |11p|09> |10to keep the children at bay :)|07
    Does a fidonet mailer mode thingie reduce the spamming?


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  • From slacker@21:3/193 to apam on Friday, December 13, 2024 05:40:57


    Except they're not looking for BBSe
    s, most of those port scanners are
    looking for vulnerable services. It
    takes time to scan 65355 ports, so
    it's much quicker to only scan the
    ones you know the vulnerable servic
    es
    you are looking for are running on.

    Yes, I still get port scans on port
    2323, I get a LOT less than on por
    t
    23.

    I got almost none when using port 1
    1892.

    Andrew

    Yep, same here. My website on 80 and 443 get HAMMERED by bots from around the world. My BBS gets some here and there but much much less than standard port #s.

    It also helps having a 'required keypress' to not initiate an auto disconnect. I've seen ESC*2 on some boards, mine is ENTER. Most bots that hit my board get booted by that alone.

    That said, I'm sure the more your BBS host & port are out there on the internet and the more popular it becomes, the more bots that will find it and start trying stuff.


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  • From apam@21:3/197 to slacker on Friday, December 13, 2024 16:02:06
    That said, I'm sure the more your BBS host & port are out there on the internet and the more popular it becomes, the more bots that will find
    it and start trying stuff.

    Maybe, but I doubt in that case they would be bots - although I suppose
    with AI it might be a thing.. bots are really just looking for easy
    targets with known exploits. A BBS, while quiet possibly exploitable
    would require a bit of human interaction and fiddling to find the
    exploits.

    For things like smart TVs and routers that have exploits, they can scan
    them down drop their payload and move on through the address space. A BBS because of it's obscurity, not so much.

    Oh, and I am in no way saying BBSes are secure because of that obscurity,
    but rather less of a target to the kind of blanket searching bots. It
    comes down to time I guess, while you could be fiddling around with a BBS looking to break it, you could have already gained several unpactched
    routers..

    If your BBS does get quiet popular, then sure people might try to hack
    in, but that's a different senario i think

    Andrew

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to APAM on Friday, December 13, 2024 10:52:00
    Except they're not looking for BBSes, most of those port scanners are
    looking for vulnerable services. It takes time to scan 65355 ports, so
    it's much quicker to only scan the ones you know the vulnerable services
    you are looking for are running on.

    Yes, and most of the scripts are looking for default user names that are
    common with IoT devices... "enable," "admin," etc. Apparently these
    default users are also passwordless if the user has not reconfigured them.


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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to apam on Friday, December 13, 2024 18:41:18
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: apam to Mickey on Fri Dec 13 2024 12:48 pm

    Yes, I still get port scans on port 2323, I get a LOT less than on port
    23.

    I got almost none when using port 11892.

    You'll get a lot fewer *users* too. <shrug>
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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Digital Man on Saturday, December 14, 2024 14:26:52
    You'll get a lot fewer *users* too. <shrug>

    Why? If people are savvy enough to connect to a BBS using telnet, surely
    they can change the port number in their client?

    I suppose it might be hard to remember the port between reading it and
    entering it into the terminal (sometimes my short term memory doesn't
    work to well), but that's not much different from remembering the
    hostname..

    Andrew

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to apam on Friday, December 13, 2024 20:48:41
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: apam to Digital Man on Sat Dec 14 2024 02:26 pm

    You'll get a lot fewer *users* too. <shrug>

    Why? If people are savvy enough to connect to a BBS using telnet, surely they can change the port number in their client?

    It's another thing to know about and do correctly, another barrier to entry. Some users are savvy/capable, can figure things out on their own, many are not. That's my experience anyway.
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  • From Atreyu@21:1/176 to Apam on Saturday, December 14, 2024 00:02:26
    On 14 Dec 24 14:26:52, Apam said the following to Digital Man:

    You'll get a lot fewer *users* too. <shrug>

    Why? If people are savvy enough to connect to a BBS using telnet, surely they can change the port number in their client?

    I've had my board on port 23 for 25+ years with no problems. On an XP box.

    Atreyu

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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Digital Man on Saturday, December 14, 2024 15:23:38
    It's another thing to know about and do correctly, another barrier to
    entry. Some users are savvy/capable, can figure things out on their
    own, many are not. That's my experience anyway.

    Fair enough.

    Andrew

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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Atreyu on Saturday, December 14, 2024 15:30:06
    I've had my board on port 23 for 25+ years with no problems. On an XP
    box.

    I think it more becomes a problem when you're running on something like a commodore 64 or something. I don't know, I don't have a problem either.

    Andrew
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  • From phigan@21:3/177 to apam on Saturday, December 14, 2024 06:36:16
    while you could be fiddling around with a bbs

    Yeah, the reason to look for those exploits is to put in their own bot program to add it to a botnet. The BBS isn't going to have a way to get joined to that unless you can get it to give you access to the operating system... It's probably possible, but I haven't seen that happen with a modern BBS yet.. only on like CP/M or something.
    Cheers.

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  • From Dumas Walker@21:1/175 to APAM on Saturday, December 14, 2024 09:22:00
    I think it more becomes a problem when you're running on something like a commodore 64 or something. I don't know, I don't have a problem either.

    Or running more than one BBS.


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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to Digital Man on Sunday, December 15, 2024 20:03:44
    Oh, that didn't occur to me. I'm kind of used to "SBBS" sometimes (very rarely now) referring to SuperBBS, but I'd never seen Searchlight
    referred to as "SBBS". If that's the case, my bad. :-)

    Yeah, I ran a Searchlight board for several years and it was always referred to as SBBS. In fact I think the default file directory for the BBS files was named SBBS.

    ... What does it mean to pre-board? Do you get on before you get on?

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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to Mickey on Sunday, December 15, 2024 20:07:34

    It doesn't matter. The script kiddies, as you call them, are just other servers pinging for open ports. They'll find you no matter which port
    you move it to.

    Amen to that. They are just pinging for open ports, so it doesn't
    really matter which port you use.

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  • From Alonzo@21:1/130 to slacker on Sunday, December 15, 2024 20:12:58

    It also helps having a 'required keypress' to not initiate an auto disconnect. I've seen ESC*2 on some boards, mine is ENTER. Most bots
    that hit my board get booted by that alone.

    On my board, you have to press 1 before logging in. Amazingly, that stops a lot of the bots. Before I set it up this way, I had tons of people hitting the login screen and throwing everything but the kitchen sink at it, trying
    to get in.

    What gets me is, it's a totally open, free BBS, and I don't even
    ask for much as far as starting an account. Just a name (any name)
    will do, and a password.

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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Alonzo on Sunday, December 15, 2024 17:29:58
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: Alonzo to Digital Man on Sun Dec 15 2024 08:03 pm

    Oh, that didn't occur to me. I'm kind of used to "SBBS" sometimes (very rarely now) referring to SuperBBS, but I'd never seen Searchlight referred to as "SBBS". If that's the case, my bad. :-)

    Yeah, I ran a Searchlight board for several years and it was always referred to as SBBS. In fact I think the default file directory for the BBS files was named SBBS.

    Oh, interesting. I'd heard/seen SLBBS in reference to Searchlight, but not SBBS. e.g. https://slbbs.org/
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  • From Digital Man@21:1/183 to Alonzo on Sunday, December 15, 2024 18:57:51
    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: Digital Man to Alonzo on Sun Dec 15 2024 05:29 pm

    Re: Re: FidoNet; Ken Kaplan - and t
    By: Alonzo to Digital Man on Sun Dec 15 2024 08:03 pm

    Oh, that didn't occur to me. I'm kind of used to "SBBS" sometimes (very rarely now) referring to SuperBBS, but I'd never seen Searchlight referred to as "SBBS". If that's the case, my bad. :-)

    Yeah, I ran a Searchlight board for several years and it was always referred to as SBBS. In fact I think the default file directory for the BBS files was named SBBS.

    Oh, interesting. I'd heard/seen SLBBS in reference to Searchlight, but not SBBS. e.g. https://slbbs.org/

    Curious, I looked a little bit more and the Wikipedia page on BBS software says "SLBBS" is the abbreviation of Searchlight and the executable and documentation of Searchlight BBS agree with that:
    207110 Defl:N 70364 66% 08-01-1988 03:09 5cf79b0f SLBBS.DOC
    20496 Defl:N 11359 45% 08-26-1989 18:54 b215dcb9 SLBBS.EXE

    I guess I could install the old SLBBS to look further...
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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Alonzo on Monday, December 16, 2024 11:16:55
    Alonzo wrote to Digital Man <=-

    Yeah, I ran a Searchlight board for several years and it was always referred to as SBBS. In fact I think the default file directory for the BBS files was named SBBS.

    I co-sysoped Just Say Yes in 1991. The root directory was c:\slight.
    Don't know if that was custom or not.



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  • From Nick Mackechnie@21:1/142 to Alonzo on Tuesday, December 17, 2024 09:45:00
    Yeah, I ran a Searchlight board for several years and it was always
    referred to as SBBS. In fact I think the default file directory for the BBS
    files was named SBBS.

    Hey hey, the default directory structure for SL is SLBBS, I'm one of the few SLBBS's running today, been online since 1988 infact :-)

    Nick

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