paulie420 wrote to hyjinx <=-

I've thought about two options for legacy hardware; one is just having
an ASCII/light ANSi version of 2oFB - but it wouldn't be all of what
the main board is. Another idea was to have STOCK BBS softwares all
under one 2oFB legacy-friendly matrix login; Telegard, Searchlight,
CBBS, Obv/2, etc etc etc - with a local FTN so all the message areas
were all 'networked' (locally).

I like the ASCII mode idea - I had a caller call with a dumb terminal
and started playing with it in Synchronet. Memory fades, but I think
there's a tool to convert ANSI to ASCII, so I made ASCII version of my
menus. If you call with an ASCII terminal, it automatically displays an
.ASC menu file.

You miss out on the ANSI art, but it's relatively easy to set up.


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Yet continually disappoints for the same old fashioned reasons..

The only truly disappointing thing about Amiga is how CBM ran the platform into the ground!

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I've thought about two options for legacy hardware; one is just having an ASCII/light ANSi version of 2oFB - but it wouldn't be all of what the main board is. Another idea was to have STOCK BBS softwares all under one 2oFB legacy-friendly matrix login; Telegard, Searchlight, CBBS, Obv/2, etc etc etc - with a local FTN so all the message areas were all 'networked' (locally).

I love this idea.

I'm kind of doing the inside-out flippidy-doo version of this, my board is Ezycom, very legacy-friendly, but I hook on to Mystic to add modern functionality like MRC.

What can we do with BBSes? Sonny Jim, what CAN'T we do?? :D

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Yet continually disappoints for the same old fashioned reasons..

The only truly disappointing thing about Amiga is how CBM ran the
platform into the ground!

CBM tried its best but lost like many with their ideas that never reasonated with the mainstream and whatever Amiga was proposing.. never was a mainstream and that's the first old fashione reason to think Amiga/CBM disappointed all together... creating a myth of the best platform in the world while it maybe was but only in about 1986 for a moment and then (and definitively in the 90s) world moved on and they missed to catch up... so it was nice and cheap (and dying) platform for the kids up until 1994 when basically a proper PC rig and Platystaion being like Eons ahead of it already, shown the market a competitive price for something that out powered the damn retarded custom chip driven platform CBM tried to continually develop. For the same reason APple almost died too, but were luckier.

The rest is sentiment but still if I compare software proposition, SNES being so much worse technically was superior platform to Amiga and its legendary coders...

-h1

... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.

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driven platform CBM tried to continually develop. For the same reason APple almost died too, but were luckier.

Luckier? They got a bailout from Micro$loth..Not sure if that was about the same time they had Pepsi man in charge... but they had to many niche weird models in the lineup at that stage, they were crippling themselves with inventory.

ST

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204beers, and I appreciate you for
enabling UTF8 so that mTelnet
works, there are a few other

I always referred to mTelnet as the one that comes with mTCP:

https://www.brutman.com/mTCP/mTCP_Telnet.html

That one always worked fine for me on my DOS computer with regular old CP4

I'm now thinking maybe I've been referring to it by the wrong name this wh time as I don't believe the Brutman one does UTF8 at all... oops! :)

When I say mTelnet, I'm referring to mTCP Telnet. I don't know of any other mTelnet.

In the most recent of updates, Michael Brutman changed from CP437 to UTF8 by default. You have to compile from source and change the default to CP437 if you don't want that behaviour, I believe. What you end up getting, is better compatability with most other telnettable things, for example, if you telnet into a Linux box, things that are UTF8 generally 'just work'. In one of the resources (I forget which), there is a CP437 to UTF8 translation. You need to set that as DOS environment variable, but essentially, when your ye-olde DOS computer sees a UTF8 char, it maps it to a CP437 char, so that life carries on as normal. If it really can't convert the char, you see some ANSI symbol (I forget which one).

So, yes, Brutman is going all-in on UTF8 from Jan 2025.

Cheers,
Al


hyjinx // Alistair Ross
Author of 'Back to the BBS' Documentary: https://bit.ly/3tRINeL (YouTube) alsgeeklab.com

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Its just simply not an option at this point - I've spent days, months and modifying 2o... I always laugh b/c 2oFB isn't the best designed bbS at ALL but it is what it is; and I'm lucky that the ppl love it. :P

I've thought about two options for legacy hardware; one is just having an ASCII/light ANSi version of 2oFB - but it wouldn't be all of what the main board is. Another idea was to have STOCK BBS softwares all under one 2oFB legacy-friendly matrix login; Telegard, Searchlight, CBBS, Obv/2, etc etc with a local FTN so all the message areas were all 'networked' (locally).

I mean, option one sounds less hassle to me, but if you have the time, do what pleases you the most! Personally, I think there is very little of 2oFB experience I am missing out on right now. A few weird things are being screwy, but mTelnet can handle standard ANSI emulation, animated ANSI, it's just weird totally non-standard stuff that's going to throw it, and anything like that is not why I connect to a BBS anyway! Those things are novelties at best. I have the Internet for all my whiz-bang graphical goodness I figure.

Cheers,
Al


hyjinx // Alistair Ross
Author of 'Back to the BBS' Documentary: https://bit.ly/3tRINeL (YouTube) alsgeeklab.com

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I've thought about two options for legacy hardware; one is just havin ASCII/light ANSi version of 2oFB

I mean, option one sounds less hassle to me, but if you have the time,
do what pleases you the most! Personally, I think there is very little
of 2oFB experience I am missing out on right now. A few weird things are being screwy, but mTelnet can handle standard ANSI emulation, animated ANSI, it's just weird totally non-standard stuff that's going to throw
it, and anything like that is not why I connect to a BBS anyway! Those things are novelties at best. I have the Internet for all my whiz-bang graphical goodness I figure.

I used to have an ASCII only template/theme for 2oFB - some of my users from far away countries actually had concerns about data usage, actually... but the issue was that I was changing 2oFB so often that they didn't get all the functionality.

Guess this is something that could be revisited now, too, as the board doesn't change as much these days.... hmmmmm - maybe. :P



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In the most recent of updates,
Michael Brutman changed from CP437
to UTF8 by default. You have to
compile from source and change the

Seems like it'd be nice if that was a command line argument. Like mtelnet /c or something to switch to CP437, keeping UTF-8 default.

That guy is on IRC sometimes, I believe. Maybe he'd be open to hearing the idea.



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Guess this is something that could
be revisited now, too, as the

Plus one for that idea ;)... As I type this from an Atari 800XL in 40 columns.



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So, yes, Brutman is going all-in on UTF8 from Jan 2025.

I haven't updated my MTCP for a while but I remember UTF was a benefit and a pain at the same time for a while. For telnet specifically there is telnetnu.exe build as an independent fork that helps to keep non unicode compatibility, especially important in BBS world.

https://github.com/jhpyle/mTCP/?tab=readme-ov-file

that's my default telnet client for a while. and it also fixed PGUP/DOWN issue among many other that Brutman never cared about.

Funny I onced emailed him if he intents to bring ssh client to his bundle and he mentioned that PCs he's targeting are not capable of it..

Damn AMIGA has this capability and he's pushing unicode to what... connect modern machines from legacy 286? for what reason...

so long story short. I respect some sort of networking stnadard he introduced to my MSDOS box initially but I don't believe many of his decisions are truly something that this community really needs anymore.

A fork is what I like more for years.

-h1

... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.

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That guy is on IRC sometimes, I believe. Maybe he'd be open to hearing
the idea.

Nope.. he's typical one man army one idea type of the guy who pursues his mission and his mission only.. nice to have a chat with, stubborn to do what he aims at.

that's why the fork I've mentioned already is one way others complement his great achievements.

-h1

... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.

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Guess this is something that could
be revisited now, too, as the

Plus one for that idea ;)... As I type this from an Atari 800XL in 40 columns.

Beautiful - I have both an Atari 400 and a 600 that I need to dive into soon enough. Not sure that either is working well just yet - as I don't get any prompt, or BASIC prompt (alth I think that requires a cart...) but I [think I] should at least see some prompt/READY/OK output.

Time will tell - I need some carts for those two machines... guess eBay will have to be my friend. :P



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get any prompt, or BASIC prompt (alth I think that requires a cart...)
but I [think I] should at least see some prompt/READY/OK output.

The 400 does not have built in basic so you would just get a cursor that you can type random stuff on the screen with. The 600XL has BASIC and you should get a READY prompt.

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Hello paulie420!

04 Jul 25 09:24, you wrote to hyjinx:

I used to have an ASCII only template/theme for 2oFB - some of my
users from far away countries actually had concerns about data usage, actually... but the issue was that I was changing 2oFB so often that
they didn't get all the functionality.

Guess this is something that could be revisited now, too, as the board doesn't change as much these days.... hmmmmm - maybe. :P

I recently created an ASCII only set of menus & textfiles for my MBSE BBS as a means of testing my re-implementation of ASCII mode. It was actually kind of fun seeing the old school boxes drawn with dashes & pipe symbols with plus signs for corners.

Just another thing to maintain whenever you add something new to your BBS...

BitByter

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Plus one for that idea ;)... As I
type this from an Atari 800XL in 4
0 columns.

Another +1 from another 800XL user :)

There are ANSI terms for Atari 8bit. I can't remember if I tried Flickterm on 2oFB but I know ICET wasn't able to handle the ANSI.

It would be cool to see in ASCII.. but only if you have the time. I usually switch to another comp for logging in there.


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There are ANSI terms for Atari 8bit. I can't remember if I tried
Flickterm on 2oFB but I know ICET wasn't able to handle the ANSI.

I've tried both, and while Flickerterm doesn't crash out on the ANSIs as much as Ice-T does, both of them still have a problem with Mystic detecting them as 40 columns. On 2oFB you can't change that in the Account Settings menu, so it's sort of unusable from those two terminal programs. Something I haven't tried yet is either BobTerm or VT100 with XEP-80 hooked up for 80 columns. I'm thinking they won't work so well with the ANSI either, though :).

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Re: Re: can i talk about my recently aquired amiga?
By: phigan to slacker on Mon Jul 07 2025 22:57:22

Hi, Phigan.

haven't tried yet is either BobTerm

I had never heard of BobTerm until today - it's very lucky I didn't accidentally use that name for my terminal.

Luckily instead of s/Worm/Term/ I did s/Term/Worm/ and ended up with Worminal.

BobW
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On 07 Jul 2025, phigan said the following...

programs. Something I haven't tried yet is either BobTerm or VT100 with XEP-80 hooked up for 80 columns. I'm thinking they won't work so well
with the ANSI either, though :).

Yeah, I'm assuming BobTerm will puke pretty good with all the ANSI escape chars. :D

For ASCII though, how do you go about setting it up for 80 col? I've only ever used it in 40 col.

... "Pass me the rap rod plate captain" - Hitchikers.

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I've tried both, and while Flickerterm doesn't crash out on the ANSIs as much as Ice-T does, both of them still have a problem with Mystic detecting them as 40 columns. On 2oFB you can't change that in the Account Settings menu, so it's sort of unusable from those two terminal programs. Something I haven't tried yet is either BobTerm or VT100 with XEP-80 hooked up for 80 columns. I'm thinking they won't work so well with the ANSI either, though :).

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Reading and seeing "Bob Term" made me think about a C=64 program I used called Bobs Term Pro.

It had a BBS like option in it.
I got a floppy disc from someone that had a IBM PC text file I could read on the XT we had at work, and I wanted toread it on my home C=64.

One night before I left home to go to work I Ran Bob's Term Pro and had it set to answer a phone call also asked the wife to not answer the phone since I wanted to get that PC .TXT file sent to my computer as a SEQ file.

I reckon the Atari Bob Term had the same feature(s) as the program I used.
Ed
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Re: Re: can i talk about my recently aquired amiga?
By: hyjinx to slacker on Fri Jul 04 2025 04:56 pm

When I say mTelnet, I'm referring to mTCP Telnet. I don't know of any other mTelnet.

When I hear mTelnet, I think of this program: https://mt32.bbses.info/ :-)
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Plus one for that idea ;)... As I
type this from an Atari 800XL in 4
0 columns.

Another +1 from another 800XL user :)

I have two 65XE, one with 320kB RAM and custom ROMs and one vanilla.
SIDE3 cart and some other goodies, but still offline.

I still wonder if I find time to buy and test Fujinet one day.

-h1

... -=Lordz of BooM are back=-

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I still wonder if I find time to
buy and test Fujinet one day.

Hopefully you'll get a chance to try it out. The Fujinet is awesome. I can't recommend it enough!

If you do, be sure to check out my BBS and the other 8bit boards for some ATASCII BBS goodness! :D


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Seems like it'd be nice if that was a command line argument. Like mtelnet something to switch to CP437, keeping UTF-8 default.

That guy is on IRC sometimes, I believe. Maybe he'd be open to hearing the

100% agree phigan. It would be best if it was an argument e.g. telnet /utf, or at least configurable as default in the MTCP.CFG file with optional switch.

Little stuff like that does bug me (like why the only action of the pgup key is to scroll up the buffer, rather than send pgup to the console).

So, if you see him some day, let him know us bbs'ers want it!

Cheers,
Al


hyjinx // Alistair Ross
Author of 'Back to the BBS' Documentary: https://bit.ly/3tRINeL (YouTube) alsgeeklab.com

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A49 2024/05/29 (Linux/64)
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Heya hollowone,

https://github.com/jhpyle/mTCP/?tab=readme-ov-file

that's my default telnet client for a while. and it also fixed PGUP/DOWN
among many other that Brutman never cared about.

It certainly did resolve a lot of 'issues' which Michael B didn't care about. I have used it myself. Not sure if you have noticed though, it certainly runs slower than Brutman's. Michael himself muttered something a while ago about it being sloppy code/bad loop routine or something of that ilk, I'd have to read my email to find out.

Funny I onced emailed him if he intents to bring ssh client to his bundle he mentioned that PCs he's targeting are not capable of it..

Whilst I can understand that what he does is a hobby and he's really just in it to satisfy his own PC Jr sized hobby, it really is a shame I think that he doesn't want to connect with his users and grant them some simple feature requests like toggling utf or allowing the use of a pgup key. All very easy to provide in the code I dare say, and sad that a fork had to be made to compensate for that.

jhypyle's fork is a few versions behind now, so it looks close to being abandoned. I actually believe that Michael's current UTF version is actually fine - the CP437 to UTF translation TXT file which he supplies in the docs means that as long as you use the BBS's UTF8 mode, then all the ANSI displays just fine. It's when a BBS doesn't have a UTF8 mode. By default Mystic does, and I'm sure many other do, but some I guess don't. The upside of having UTF8 is that when you're telnetting to a Linux box (which I also do a lot of from my IBM PC), I get pretty darned good compatability from a terminal perspective. If the char can't be displayed by the IBM BIOS, it defaults to a single char that doesn't look broken, unlike how it used to behave, with text spewing out all over the place. So, for me, most BBSes (provided they allow UTF8) operate just fine, and Linux performs good too, as does standard ASCII. So, it is *mainly* the best of both worlds. Just wish he allowed it to be toggled off by a switch or something.

Damn AMIGA has this capability and he's pushing unicode to what... connect modern machines from legacy 286? for what reason...

Per my earlier comment - I think he and others like me are using it to get content from Linux boxes or similar.

so long story short. I respect some sort of networking stnadard he introdu to my MSDOS box initially but I don't believe many of his decisions are tr something that this community really needs anymore.

A fork is what I like more for years.

Yes, I understand some of his decisions, but I wish he read and agreed with his fan mail a bit more!

Cheers,
Al


hyjinx // Alistair Ross
Author of 'Back to the BBS' Documentary: https://bit.ly/3tRINeL (YouTube) alsgeeklab.com

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For ASCII though, how do you go about setting it up for 80 col? I've
only ever used it in 40 col.

With an XEP-80 (or clone made from a Pi Pico).

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I reckon the Atari Bob Term had the same feature(s) as the program I
used. Ed

It does not. BobsTerm for C= and BobTerm for Atari are totally different programs by different people. I tried BobsTerm and didn't like it much, but I had no idea it had a host mode! I will have to go back to it and see if I can get it to work with a wifi modem.

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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I still wonder if I find time to buy and test Fujinet one day.

You could connect your Atari to the PC and run Fujinet firmware on that (aka Fujinet-PC). The FTDI usb to ttl modules are like $3-4 on eBay, if that. Here's how I connected mine up, with female to female Dupont jumpers:
https://i.imgur.com/Qz20mcE.jpg

--- Mystic BBS v1.12 A48 (Raspberry Pi/32)
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You could connect your Atari to the PC and run Fujinet firmware on that (aka Fujinet-PC). The FTDI usb to ttl modules are like $3-4 on eBay, if that. Here's how I connected mine up, with female to female Dupont jumpers: https://i.imgur.com/Qz20mcE.jpg

That is interesting. I'm on MacOS tho. I need to check if this is Windows only feature first.

-h1

... Xerox Alto was the thing. Anything after we use is just a mere copy.

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With an XEP-80 (or clone made from
a Pi Pico).

Cool thanks! Going to check that out now.


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It does not. BobsTerm for C= and BobTerm for Atari are totally different programs by different people. I tried BobsTerm and didn't like it much, but I had no idea it had a host mode! I will have to go back to it and see if I can get it to work with a wifi modem.

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Thanks fer straightening Me out .
I hadn't thought that there were two programmers using a similar BOB name.

Hope the Atari program has Host Mode in it.
Ed
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mtcp is amazing!~!
:D

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I LOVE 20 FOR BEERS!!! <3

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The only truly disappointing thing about Amiga is how CBM ran the
platform into the ground!

</3

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I'm kind of doing the inside-out flippidy-doo version of this, my board
is Ezycom, very legacy-friendly, but I hook on to Mystic to add modern functionality like MRC.

What can we do with BBSes? Sonny Jim, what CAN'T we do?? :D

bbs gang!

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So, yes, Brutman is going all-in on UTF8 from Jan 2025.

i did not know this ill update soon xD

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hey al! :D bbses are so COOL!!!! <3

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Seems like it'd be nice if that was a command line argument. Like
mtelnet /c or something to switch to CP437, keeping UTF-8 default.

true true

That guy is on IRC sometimes, I believe. Maybe he'd be open to hearing
the idea.

i can contact him for us he is active in freedos community

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Plus one for that idea ;)... As I type this from an Atari 800XL in 40 columns.

ATARI 800XL yooooo SO COOOL!!!!! <3

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Damn AMIGA has this capability and he's pushing unicode to what...
connect modern machines from legacy 286? for what reason...

shhhh i have both!
i am doing this from my 286! <3

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Beautiful - I have both an Atari 400 and a 600 that I need to dive into soon enough. Not sure that either is working well just yet - as I don't get any prompt, or BASIC prompt (alth I think that requires a cart...)
but I [think I] should at least see some prompt/READY/OK output.

Time will tell - I need some carts for those two machines... guess eBay will have to be my friend. :P

:DDDDDD
I WANT AN ATARI STe!!! <3

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fujinet is based!

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That is interesting. I'm on MacOS tho. I need to check if this is Windows
only feature first.

You can compile the Fujinet firmware on anything. I personally use it on a Pi Zero W. Have not tried to build it on MacOS, but with Homebrew installed it's probably doable.


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I LOVE 20 FOR BEERS!!! <3

Awwwww, thank you! We love hosting it, too!!!



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So, yes, Brutman is going all-in on UTF8 from Jan 2025.

i did not know this ill update soon xD

yeah, make sure to set the environment variable for the crossover CP437 compatability, or you will be sad! All the details are in Brutman's manual. Once you do that, everything works great.

-Al


hyjinx // Alistair Ross
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hey al! :D bbses are so COOL!!!! <3

haha yes they are! I love me my bbs fun.

It's a great place, with lots of lovely people and I can talk to everyone from my ancient hardware in a way that just works great. It truly connects the new and the old in a way that nothing else seems to do. What's not to love for an old luddite like me ? :)


hyjinx // Alistair Ross
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Seems like it'd be nice if that was a command line argument. Like mtelnet /c or something to switch to CP437, keeping UTF-8 default.

true true

That guy is on IRC sometimes, I believe. Maybe he'd be open to hearin the idea.

i can contact him for us he is active in freedos community

yeah, if you can , the more people telling him it would be a good idea, the better I'm sure!


hyjinx // Alistair Ross
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Plus one for that idea ;)... As I type this from an Atari 800XL in 40 columns.

ATARI 800XL yooooo SO COOOL!!!!! <3

I love the aesthetic of the original 800 myself, the XL was just great an all, but the 800 was this massive heavy thing which had a really nice keyboard and those big rom carts (x2), so from a design perspective, 800 wins all day.

What still amazes me is that the 800 and 400 were released in 1979. Some of the stuff they did was way ahead of the computers that were released for many years. Consider the C64, ZX Spectrum, etc etc. Each of those platforms were good in their own way, but they didn't come out until 1982. The Atari had it going on well befoer then!


hyjinx // Alistair Ross
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fujinet is based!

based on what?
or on base? - like ...they do drugs?
:)

Eitherway FUJInet is wicked cool.


hyjinx // Alistair Ross
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I LOVE 20 FOR BEERS!!! <3

who doesn't love 20forbeers?!


hyjinx // Alistair Ross
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Re: Re: can i talk about my recently aquired amiga?
By: hyjinx to paulie420 on Tue Jul 29 2025 09:36 pm

I LOVE 20 FOR BEERS!!! <3

who doesn't love 20forbeers?!

Nobody! I don't even like BEER! LOL

Thank you Paulie for a great BBS, YTshorts, and YT videos.

I've learned so much from you and look forward to learning more.
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I love the aesthetic of the original 800 myself, the XL was just great an all, but the 800 was this massive heavy thing which had a really nice keyboard and those big rom carts (x2), so from a design perspective, 800 wins all day.

What still amazes me is that the 800 and 400 were released in 1979. Some of the stuff they did was way ahead of the computers that were released for many years. Consider the C64, ZX Spectrum, etc etc. Each of those platforms were good in their own way, but they didn't come out until 1982. The Atari had it going on well befoer then!

hyjinx // Alistair Ross
Author of 'Back to the BBS' Documentary: https://bit.ly/3tRINeL (YouTube) alsgeeklab.com

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As a reader of Computer magazines and Electronic articles I tried typing stuff like 10 Print "Hi"
on all of the different home pc's in the stores.

It was years later I learned why when I pressed the Enter Key that nothing happened on the Atari 400 or 800 I typed it on.
I got the impression that those systems were Terminals.
Much later I learned the failure I saw was because the Cartridge slot was empty on the Atarie's I typed on.
Without a Basic cartridge inserted in the slot those computers couldn't do Basic

So I started out with a C=64.
In later years a fellow at work bought an Atari 800XL, I looked at his manual and learned it was a GREAT COMPUTER .
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Re: Re: can i talk about my recently aquired amiga?
By: mary4 to phigan on Sun Jul 27 2025 13:21:42

ATARI 800XL yooooo SO COOOL!!!!! <3

I prefer the original 800, myself. It had a better keyboard and the case had more style.
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haha yes they are! I love me my bbs fun.

It's a great place, with lots of lovely people and I can talk to
everyone from my ancient hardware in a way that just works great. It
truly connects the new and the old in a way that nothing else seems to
do. What's not to love for an old luddite like me ? :)

yoooo whats up!! <3

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Eitherway FUJInet is wicked cool.

THATS WHAT BASED MEANS!!! <3

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Eitherway FUJInet is wicked

cool.
THATS WHAT BASED MEANS!!! <3

I'm so not up with the modern lingo. I've read comments online before with 'based' and had no idea what they meant either. I guess 'rizz' is another one?


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I'm so not up with the modern lingo. I've read comments online before
with 'based' and had no idea what they meant either. I guess 'rizz' is another one?

thats ok me neither xD

rizz is a slang word for charisma

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It had a better keyboard and the case had more style.

The 800XL came with five or so different keyboards. Most of them were definitely not as good as the 800's, but one of them - the ALPS one - is one of the best keyboards in the world (imo, of course) when nice and new. Also I'd argue the sleek 80s/futuristic design of the XL was cooler ;).

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phigan wrote to Mortar M. <=-

It had a better keyboard and the case had more style.

The 800XL came with five or so different keyboards. Most of them were definitely not as good as the 800's, but one of them - the ALPS one -
is one of the best keyboards in the world (imo, of course) when nice
and new. Also I'd argue the sleek 80s/futuristic design of the XL was cooler ;).

I'm old-school at the core. I'd still like a pizza box desktop sytem in beige/platinum. I don't miss my 21" Sony CRT, though - that thing made
my desk bow in at the middle!



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I'm old-school at the core. I'd still like a pizza box desktop sytem in

u 2 huh? <3

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rizz is a slang word for charisma

I got more rizz than you can shake a joystick at!

eh? eh?

:D



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I'm old-school at the core. I'd still like a pizza box desktop sytem in beige/platinum. I don't miss my 21" Sony CRT, though - that thing made
my desk bow in at the middle!

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After reading BBS posts on subjects about IBM type Personal Computers on the Commodore 64 I used I began thinking of having a 486 PC built.
I had used the C=64 for nine years when a lady at church told me of a co-worrker of hers who built computers .
I called and learned the price was right from what I saw in Computer Shppers magazine pages, so I ordered it.

Of course I'm different from You and had the 486DX33 put in a Tower case.

My way of thinking is a Pizza Box rig is sorta like a Cat on the table, a Tower is like a Dog laying beside of me.
Excuse Me I just HAD to post this to You.
Ed
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