• Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?

    From Nightfox@21:1/137 to paulie420 on Wednesday, December 04, 2024 08:57:21
    Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
    By: paulie420 to Adept on Tue Dec 03 2024 06:50 pm

    People are buying the Red Box machines for less than $400 currently... dunno why you'd want one, but you can.

    Early in Red Box life, me and a business partner were going to buy several. (In the early days they were working with individuals - 10k per machine...) We passed, but some entrepreneurs did well w/ Red Box.

    Some time ago, I thought someone could buy an abandoned Hollywood Video or Blockbuster Video building and buy a bunch of Redbox and similar machines to stock it with (I did see one or two other companies doing the same thing), and people would be able to go to a central location again to rent movies. I like RedBox, but sometimes it can be inconvenient if you have to drive a ways to a particular machine to get a movie.

    I find it weird that physical media has died out so much. It seems that people generally don't want control over their own stuff. But lately I feel like I've seen more people posting online about buying physical media again because people are mainly getting tired of streaming services removing content.

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  • From slacker@21:3/193 to Nightfox on Wednesday, December 04, 2024 19:27:09

    Some time ago, I thought someone could buy an abandoned Hollywood Video or
    Blockbuster Video building and buy a bunch of Redbox and similar machines
    to stock it with (I did see one or two other companies doing the same thi ng), and people would be able to go to a central location again to rent mo vies. I like RedBox, but sometimes it can be inconvenient if you have to drive a ways to a particular machine to get a movie.

    I used to use RedBox a bit back in the day. I remember it was cheaper than going to Blockbuster and renting but the selection was never great. My friends and I used to do a movie night each week for years and went to Blockbuster those nights until it went out of business because the selection was better and half the fun was wandering around the store trying to find something to watch.


    I find it weird that physical media has died out so much. It seems that p eople generally don't want control over their own stuff. But lately I fee
    l like I've seen more people posting online about buying physical media ag ain because people are mainly getting tired of streaming services removing
    content.

    Yeah, I think with the dawn of streaming the sheer convenience of it all made people drop physical media more and more as time went on and now we're at a point where it seems like everything is streamed and that's the only option... until Netflix or whatever decides they're not hosting it anymore and you can either dig through the other 50k streaming services to find it (if you have a subscription) or go 'Yo-ho-ho'ing on the pirate seas.. it's just a pain.. where a physical DVD I can go back and watch 10 years later if I want, no matter how obscure it is.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to slacker on Wednesday, December 04, 2024 12:20:40
    Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
    By: slacker to Nightfox on Wed Dec 04 2024 07:27 pm

    Yeah, I think with the dawn of streaming the sheer convenience of it all made people drop physical media more and more as time went on and now we're at a point where it seems like everything is streamed and that's the only option... until Netflix or whatever decides they're not hosting it anymore and you can either dig through the other 50k streaming services to find it (if you have a subscription) or go 'Yo-ho-ho'ing on the pirate seas.. it's just a pain.. where a physical DVD I can go back and watch 10 years later if I want, no matter how obscure it is.

    I've set up my own media server (using Plex Media Server) on a dedicated PC, and I like to rip my media and put it on there. I can then stream it from my media server any time, and not worry about it being removed. I've been using Plex Media Server for about 8 or 9 years now, and I like it. It can even stream your stuff outside your home, so if you're traveling, you can bring a streaming device and plug it into a hotel TV and watch your stuff there, which is cool.

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  • From The Godfather@21:3/165 to Adept on Wednesday, December 04, 2024 18:29:35
    Yeah, agreed. I can't say I ever _used_ the video store particularly
    much, but I _did_ use Redbox a fair amount, when it was an option. (I probably said that in a previous post, but it's been long enough that I guess I'll repeat myself.)

    I still glance over where they used to be stationed and am quickly saddened by the coin machine and sell your iphone machine :(

    This reminds me of a Strawberry Shortcake DVD that would have something
    in the plastic to make it smell like strawberries. Or fake strawberries? Regardless, _something_, and it was always a bit interesting that such things would intentionally add another sense to these things.

    My sister had those toys, I do remember them smelling a bit like strawberry. They did that a lot with pencil erasers too if I recall; I wonder if that was to encourage children into sticking them up ones nose. But yes, the jewel cases are still worth owning, I do notice though that the blu-rays don't have a distinctive smell to them. Movies are also less memoriable for me these days too though, so there is that :)

    Assuming the body parts, I imagine they'd probably be even harder to
    come by.

    It's all in who you know (haha)

    But, yeah, fuguestatefilms.co.uk is where they're mostly (maybe
    entirely) from, and half the reason for me buying them is because of wanting them to continue making them.

    That is now three organ enthusiasts I've had the pleasure of knowing within the BBS / Demo scene community. That makes sense (to keep buying them) I do that with Stella D'oro "S" breakfast cookies and any New Mexico hatch chili's (jarred or otherwise) I see show up on the retail shelves. The algo's of Kroger distribution otherwise replace them with
    more oreo and pop tart space due to sell through / inventory turn. It's harder to get those things once loved once they lose "popularity."

    But that's definitely niche. Not sure how many people would be
    interested in the concept, but it's probably not a ton more than the people interested in the idea of taking up organ playing (whether it happens or not).

    In general I'm finding it more difficult to get my kids involved in learning musical intruments without having to go to expensive schools for lessons. I remember growing up and band being free, began in (I belive 5th grade,) and was a regular class I could take all through high school. As good as my kids school system is, all they have is marching band available to kids that already took the private lessons growing up. I suppose I selected the wrong profession for getting my kids hooked on intruments. I will say the marching band win's "state" or at makes it to "state" each year and is quite the half time performance at the football games. Not the marching band I remember growing up for sure.

    The organ seems like it would be an instrument someone could pick up more at any age and learn more so than say the Guitar?

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Wednesday, December 04, 2024 19:19:46
    Some time ago, I thought someone could buy an abandoned Hollywood Video
    or Blockbuster Video building and buy a bunch of Redbox and similar machines to stock it with (I did see one or two other companies doing
    the same thing), and people would be able to go to a central location again to rent movies. I like RedBox, but sometimes it can be
    inconvenient if you have to drive a ways to a particular machine to get
    a movie.

    Time has changed so much; there was a point where Redbox WAS the easiest way... I still remember Blockbuster Tuesdays - I bought so many DVDs!

    I find it weird that physical media has died out so much. It seems that people generally don't want control over their own stuff. But lately I feel like I've seen more people posting online about buying physical
    media again because people are mainly getting tired of streaming
    services removing content.

    I agree - I mentioned my DVD purchasing... I did move away from that media; sold all my DVDS, but I ripped then into high quality media files. I don't mind the non-physical, but its the cloud/streaming that I'm against. I want to own the data else I own nothing... and, owning hard media is still cool for the in-box STUFF.



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  • From Utopian Galt@21:4/108 to Paulie420 on Wednesday, December 04, 2024 21:32:22
    BY: paulie420 (21:2/150)

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    |11p|09> |10I'm against. I want to own the data else I own nothing... and, owning|07
    |11p|09> |10hard media is still cool for the in-box STUFF.|07
    I hate leasing content. Movies are much different than music where there is more gatekeeping for the video stuff.


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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Utopian Galt on Thursday, December 05, 2024 00:43:29
    I agree - I mentioned my DVD purchasing... I did move away from that media; sold all my DVDS, but I ripped then into high quality media files. I don't mind the non-physical, but its the cloud/streaming that I'm against. I want to own the data else I own nothing... and, owning hard media is still cool for the in-box STUFF.
    I hate leasing content. Movies are much different than music where there is more gatekeeping for the video stuff.

    Same here. I still keep my DVDs and BRays in a box in my attic and occasionally I still buy some as collectives (very rare comparing to the past as I don't even have the place to store them).. but all is digitalized these days. I have Netflix for the sake of animated movies my kid watches passionately, but for myself I rather rip and store on NAS.

    Sam with music... a countless number of CDs in the attic but my living room has only vinyls exposed for a slow life orientated music listening sessions.

    All the rest to become a fancy noise when I work or drive are 320kB MP3 and VOX to play them across my audio devices directly or via BT.

    -h1

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  • From Tiny@21:1/700 to Nightfox on Thursday, December 05, 2024 06:14:31
    Hi Nightfox,
    In a message to Slacker you wrote:

    I've set up my own media server (using Plex Media Server) on a
    dedicated PC, and I like to rip my media and put it on there. I can

    This is also what I do. We also keep the DVD's for using at the trailer
    where internet is very expensive. For Music I've been buying the download
    for years so if I want a CD I burn one myself. (I have not done this is
    many years now - but I could!)

    years now, and I like it. It can even stream your stuff outside your
    home, so if you're traveling, you can bring a streaming device and
    plug it into a hotel TV and watch your stuff there, which is cool.

    I connect to it at work on Sundays when I'm alone so I can listen to
    music. I was running subsonic for that (ran it for years and years) but recently I switched to plex since it was running anyway and by scrapping Subsonic I could get rid of the JRE too! ;)

    Shawn

    ... Not one hundred percent efficient, of course.but nothing ever is.


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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to The Godfather on Thursday, December 05, 2024 12:27:29
    though that the blu-rays don't have a distinctive smell to them. Movies are also less memoriable for me these days too though, so there is that

    I think I saw something from the Angry Video Game Nerd about how much blu-rays wind up using the default menu and lack extras.

    And also that it's super weird that we wound up with a standard controlled by exactly one company, and the format it worse because of it (e.g., because of rather high fees to make one of them).

    As for movies being less memorable... Well, I'm sure there's some truth to it, because of all the various pressures on movie making that exist now, but didn't in previous decades.

    But there's also a huge quantity of forgettable films that were made in the past, too.

    The organ seems like it would be an instrument someone could pick up
    more at any age and learn more so than say the Guitar?

    Why would guitar be a challenge?

    Though, with the organ, I think the biggest challenge is probably access to an instrument to practice on.

    Even for me, where I'd like to explore the concept (though, really, my skills with a piano keyboard are not great, and it would likely be better if I got better with various aspects of that. Even if playing an organ is decidedly different in style.), since I don't have connections to a church organ, and am not particularly good with the local language, the most reasonable option for a practice instrument would be to make a hack of a setup.

    And it's _expensive_. The _cheap_(ish) part would be not-quite-purpose-built keyboards and something to hold them up. The cheap-to-moderate part would be the software, and the expensive part (probably $1k or lots of shop tools that I do not have) is the pedal board.

    And saying, "okay, I'd like this sort of complete solution delivered to me" is not really an option, unless paying maybe $4k for an impressive piece of furniture.

    Learning guitar? Probably have a variety of choices under $100, even if it'd be easy to spend lots more.

    The organ seems like it would be an instrument someone could pick up
    more at any age and learn more so than say the Guitar?

    ...that said, thinking of the idea of picking up instruments later in life, the one I imagine being... challenging, is a violin (or any of its larger cousins).

    I tried that a bit, as an adult, but the amount of, "this sounds _dreadful_" required before you can get to more than a moment of, "Ahh, that actually sounds like music" is... a lot. How can an adult press through that kind of torture?

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Utopian Galt on Thursday, December 05, 2024 12:33:05
    I hate leasing content. Movies are much different than music where there is more gatekeeping for the video stuff.

    That _is_ a good point -- I don't remember a point where some highly-popular song became unavailable for purchase, or got locked up as much as movies and TV series do.

    And even the streaming services seem to wind up offering _everything_, rather than having to go to Spotify for one song, Apple Music for another, Youtube for a third, and so on.

    And, for the most part, when buying music and downloading it, it comes in a format that's as good or better than the pirated version.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to paulie420 on Thursday, December 05, 2024 10:18:25
    Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Wed Dec 04 2024 07:19 pm

    Time has changed so much; there was a point where Redbox WAS the easiest way... I still remember Blockbuster Tuesdays - I bought so many DVDs!

    I had noticed that rental discs were different than discs for purchase. It seemed that most of the time, rental discs had a lot fewer extras on them and more ads, so I shied away from buying rental discs.

    I agree - I mentioned my DVD purchasing... I did move away from that media; sold all my DVDS, but I ripped then into high quality media files. I don't mind the non-physical, but its the cloud/streaming that I'm against. I want to own the data else I own nothing... and, owning hard media is still cool for the in-box STUFF.

    Yeah, my main concern is owning my media and being able to play it any time I want. I wouldn't mind buying a movie in a DRM-free downloadable format, but I dont't think they do that for movies. I've bought music that way and don't mind (especially if it's in a lossless format like FLAC - and I can convert it to MP3 myself if I want), and I can make backups of the media in case something happens.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Tiny on Thursday, December 05, 2024 10:21:31
    Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
    By: Tiny to Nightfox on Thu Dec 05 2024 06:14 am

    This is also what I do. We also keep the DVD's for using at the trailer where internet is very expensive. For Music I've been buying the download for years so if I want a CD I burn one myself. (I have not done this is many years now - but I could!)

    I've bought some music in downloadable format. I prefer if it's offered in a lossless format like FLAC; I can convert it to something like MP3 myself if I want.

    I connect to it at work on Sundays when I'm alone so I can listen to music. I was running subsonic for that (ran it for years and years) but recently I switched to plex since it was running anyway and by scrapping Subsonic I could get rid of the JRE too! ;)

    :) I installed PlexAmp on my work laptop so I can stream my music collection at work, and I have headphones I use for that. I do have my music on my phone as well, though since regular headphone jacks have pretty much been removed from phones these days, it's a little harder to charge a phone and use headphones at the same time. My work headset is USB, and I find it's easier to keep it plugged into my work laptop and stream my music there.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Adept on Thursday, December 05, 2024 11:27:42
    But there's also a huge quantity of forgettable films that were made in the past, too.


    That is true, and we were less picky because we knew less of them.

    -h1

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  • From paulie420@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Thursday, December 05, 2024 18:36:36
    Time has changed so much; there was a point where Redbox WAS the easi way... I still remember Blockbuster Tuesdays - I bought so many DVDs!

    I agree - I mentioned my DVD purchasing... I did move away from that media; sold all my DVDS, but I ripped then into high quality media fi I don't mind the non-physical, but its the cloud/streaming that I'm against.

    Yeah, my main concern is owning my media and being able to play it any time I want.
    I've bought music that way and don't mind (especially if it's in a Ni> lossless format like FLAC - and I can convert it to MP3 myself if I Ni> want)

    ... dude, I went to create a new music library recently and had no idea that FLAC was now the main goto!! Last time I collected audio, MP3 was king. FLAC is so much better, and I'm stoked that the times [And HDD access] have moved so we can now have lossless as the norm!



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  • From Tiny@21:1/700 to Nightfox on Friday, December 06, 2024 05:16:52
    Hi Nightfox,
    On <Fri, 05 Dec 24>, you wrote me:

    I've bought some music in downloadable format. I prefer if it's
    offered in a lossless format like FLAC; I can convert it to something
    like MP3 myself if I want.

    Yes, I always download the best quality lossless they offer, and convert
    to MP3 for the devices that need it.

    :) I installed PlexAmp on my work laptop so I can stream my music collection at work, and I have headphones I use for that. I do have

    I do that on the personal laptop, but the work one won't let me install anything. The number of spy programs watching us exceeds the number
    of apps we actually use. LOL

    my music on my phone as well, though since regular headphone jacks
    have pretty much been removed from phones these days, it's a little
    harder to charge a phone and use headphones at the same time. My work headset is USB, and I find it's easier to keep it plugged into my work laptop and stream my music there.

    I use a single ear headset at work (BT) and have a pair of cheap noise cancelling headphones (USB) there as well that I use when I'm in a meeting since my desk is pretty much in the open.

    Shawn

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to hollowone on Friday, December 06, 2024 11:20:28
    But there's also a huge quantity of forgettable films that were made the past, too.

    That is true, and we were less picky because we knew less of them.

    It hadn't really occurred to me that, yes, back in the 1990s, going to rottentomatoes.com and checking to see what the average critic and audience score were was not a common part of picking a movie.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to paulie420 on Friday, December 06, 2024 08:56:35
    Re: Re: New non-fungible media
    By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Thu Dec 05 2024 06:36 pm

    ... dude, I went to create a new music library recently and had no idea that FLAC was now the main goto!! Last time I collected audio, MP3 was king. FLAC is so much better, and I'm stoked that the times [And HDD access] have moved so we can now have lossless as the norm!

    I've ripped all my CDs to FLAC format, but mainly so that I have a lossless backup of my music. I still converted my FLACs to MP3 format, which are the ones I actually listen to on my devices. I don't really hear a difference (at least, I'd probably have to concentrate hard to notice) and the MP3s are smaller. I do keep the FLACs on an external hard drive as a backup.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Adept on Friday, December 06, 2024 09:05:25
    Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
    By: Adept to hollowone on Fri Dec 06 2024 11:20 am

    It hadn't really occurred to me that, yes, back in the 1990s, going to rottentomatoes.com and checking to see what the average critic and audience score were was not a common part of picking a movie.

    I remember watching Siskel & Ebert on TV sharing their movie reviews. I also seem to recall seeing a section in the newspaper that had movie reviews.

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  • From hollowone@21:2/150 to Nightfox on Friday, December 06, 2024 10:28:01
    I remember watching Siskel & Ebert on TV sharing their movie reviews. I also seem to recall seeing a section in the newspaper that had movie reviews.

    And Teletext pages! Some of my local channels had some interesting pages with movie reviews. Man that was my read only Internet of the majority of the 90s!

    -h1

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to hollowone on Friday, December 06, 2024 11:36:20
    Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
    By: hollowone to Nightfox on Fri Dec 06 2024 10:28 am

    I remember watching Siskel & Ebert on TV sharing their movie reviews. I
    also seem to recall seeing a section in the newspaper that had movie
    reviews.

    And Teletext pages! Some of my local channels had some interesting pages with movie reviews. Man that was my read only Internet of the majority of the 90s!

    I didn't use those. I started using the internet in late 1995 (I hadn't even really heard of the internet until shortly before that), and I mainly was using web sites, FTP sites, and Kali (a program that allowed playing DOS IPX/SPX network multiplayer games over the internet).

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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to Nightfox on Saturday, December 07, 2024 09:02:58
    Nightfox wrote to hollowone <=-

    I remember watching Siskel & Ebert on TV sharing their movie reviews. I
    also seem to recall seeing a section in the newspaper that had movie
    reviews.

    And Teletext pages! Some of my local channels had some interesting pages with movie reviews. Man that was my read only Internet of the majority of the 90s!

    I didn't use those. I started using the internet in late 1995 (I
    hadn't even really heard of the internet until shortly before that),
    and I mainly was using web sites, FTP sites, and Kali (a program that allowed playing DOS IPX/SPX network multiplayer games over the
    internet).

    Kali! One of my all time favs. Registered that (and still have the
    printed page with reg code), and played *MANY* hours of games on it,
    mostly Duke Nukem 3D. Great stuff!



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Saturday, December 07, 2024 08:18:59
    Gamgee wrote to Nightfox <=-

    ... YORGAMAK HAS ARRIVED AND WILL INITIATE DESTRUCTIMATION.

    Did you swipe this tagline from me, or did I swipe it from you?



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  • From Gamgee@21:2/138 to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, December 07, 2024 10:40:07
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Gamgee <=-

    ... YORGAMAK HAS ARRIVED AND WILL INITIATE DESTRUCTIMATION.

    Did you swipe this tagline from me, or did I swipe it from you?

    Hahahaha! Can't recall for sure, but I think I got it from you. :-)



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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Nightfox on Saturday, December 07, 2024 23:51:51
    It hadn't really occurred to me that, yes, back in the 1990s, going t rottentomatoes.com and checking to see what the average critic and audience score were was not a common part of picking a movie.

    I remember watching Siskel & Ebert on TV sharing their movie reviews. I also seem to recall seeing a section in the newspaper that had movie reviews.

    Yeah, and that's what we had. If you wanted to find out reviews on various different films from the 1970s, you probably had to use some microfilm at the library.

    Or find a book, I guess. I would imagine there were plenty of those that compiled movie reviews.

    Though it makes me wonder when movie reviewing in newspapers became a thing. Probably from the beginning, I guess...

    ...searching...

    I guess the short answer is, "earliest 1900s, with the first paper coming out in 1908, but the essay style that we're familiar with now emerged in the 1940s."

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Gamgee on Sunday, December 08, 2024 15:46:44
    Gamgee wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    ... YORGAMAK HAS ARRIVED AND WILL INITIATE DESTRUCTIMATION.

    Did you swipe this tagline from me, or did I swipe it from you?

    Hahahaha! Can't recall for sure, but I think I got it from you. :-)

    If you swiped it from me, than I swiped it from someone else. Anyone
    volunteer as to who I swiped it from and where they swiped it from?



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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@21:4/122 to Adept on Sunday, December 08, 2024 15:46:45
    Adept wrote to Nightfox <=-

    Or find a book, I guess. I would imagine there were plenty of those
    that compiled movie reviews.

    Yes! Siskel and Ebert put one out, and so did the other NBC movie
    reviewer - Gene Shalit?

    What I loved was Joe Bob Briggs' Drive-in Movie reviews. He reviewed bad
    films, with a singular style.

    And I quote:

    "Howdy, drive-in mutants! Ever wonder what would happen if someone made a
    movie that's equal parts Mad Max, Orpheus and Eurydice, and a heavy
    metal music video from 1987? Well, grab your popcorn and your holy
    water, because boy howdy, do I have a treat for you.

    Let me tell you about a little slice of B-movie heaven called "Highway
    to Hell" - a flick that's been collecting dust in the bargain bins of
    video stores since 1991, and damn well shouldn't have been. This is what happens when you take a young Chad Lowe (yeah, Rob's baby brother),
    throw him in a Ford Pinto with a pizza sign on top, and send him
    straight to Hell to rescue his girlfriend from Satan's dating app."

    His goto line was "No plot to get in the way of the action..."




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  • From Ed Vance@21:1/175 to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, December 08, 2024 19:11:31


    If you swiped it from me, than I swiped it from someone else. Anyone volunteer as to who I swiped it from and where they swiped it from?

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    Not Me!, the Tagline file on my desktop is large but never saw that one b4.
    Ed
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  • From neoshock@21:1/150 to Nightfox on Monday, December 09, 2024 12:14:00
    I find it weird that physical media has died out so much. It seems that people generally don't want control over their own stuff.
    I don't think it's about people not wanting to control over their own stuff, its just way more convenient. Back in the day I did torrent many movies and shows, not because it was free, but because it was way faster to download than it was to run to a Blockbuster to rent something.

    But lately I
    feel like I've seen more people posting online about buying physical media again because people are mainly getting tired of streaming
    services removing content.
    Yes this is super annoying, but the main reason for this is that studios are revoking their licenses to stream their content so that can exclusively distribute their content on their own platform. AKA NBC removing shows from Netflix so they can have it on Peackcock.
    I feel that maybe there should be some sort of law to separate content creators and content distributer as the current system does hurt the the consumers.
    Consumers should not be forced to choose which platform to stream from based on what content is available, but instead choose a platform based on quality of service, and/or features that fit the consumer needs. Studios would still be able to create content for their platform, but instead of being exclusive they could of cross platform agreements. AKA have Netflix created content Disney+ and vise verses.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to neoshock on Monday, December 09, 2024 12:59:55
    Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
    By: neoshock to Nightfox on Mon Dec 09 2024 12:14 pm

    I find it weird that physical media has died out so much. It seems that
    people generally don't want control over their own stuff.

    I don't think it's about people not wanting to control over their own stuff, its just way more convenient. Back in the day I did torrent many movies and shows, not because it was free, but because it was way faster to download than it was to run to a Blockbuster to rent something.

    Yes, what I meant was, people are choosing convenience and don't seem to care about that media possibly being removed from the streaming service at some point. Or maybe they don't think about that.

    media again because people are mainly getting tired of streaming services
    removing content.

    Yes this is super annoying, but the main reason for this is that studios are revoking their licenses to stream their content so that can exclusively distribute their content on their own platform. AKA NBC removing shows from Netflix so they can have it on Peackcock.
    I feel that
    maybe there should be some sort of law to separate content creators and content distributer as the current system does hurt the the consumers. Consumers should not be forced to choose which platform to stream from based on what content is available, but instead choose a platform based on quality of service, and/or features that fit the consumer needs. Studios

    I agree with this. It would be nice to have just one streaming srevice and be able to watch what you want there, rather than pay for a bunch of different services for various things you want to watch. But I guess in a way, it's the same as it has always been. With cable TV, companies would have their own channels where their content was broadcast. A lot of people don't want to pay high prices for cable though, but now the alternative is paying a lot for multiple streaming services. At least you can limit the number of streaming services you use, but then you're limited to watching only what they offer.

    Nightfox
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  • From neoshock@21:1/150 to Nightfox on Monday, December 09, 2024 13:10:59
    different services for various things you want to watch. But I guess in
    a way, it's the same as it has always been. With cable TV, companies would have their own channels where their content was broadcast. A lot

    Actually this was not the case, Studios did not have their own channel. They were networks that would syndicate their shows to local channels, and would have partnerships with that local channel. It wasn't until fairly recently that Studio Companies started to buy cable companies.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to neoshock on Monday, December 09, 2024 14:57:51
    Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
    By: neoshock to Nightfox on Mon Dec 09 2024 01:10 pm

    different services for various things you want to watch. But I guess in
    a way, it's the same as it has always been. With cable TV, companies
    would have their own channels where their content was broadcast. A lot

    Actually this was not the case, Studios did not have their own channel. They were networks that would syndicate their shows to local channels, and would have partnerships with that local channel. It wasn't until fairly recently that Studio Companies started to buy cable companies.

    Yeah, I remember that. I was thinking of cable-specific channels (such as Discovery, CNN, HBO, etc.), but maybe it still didn't work how I was thinking.

    Nightfox
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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Nightfox on Tuesday, December 10, 2024 19:26:10
    different services for various things you want to watch. But I guess in
    a way, it's the same as it has always been. With cable TV, companies

    I don't think it was the same, when people were getting Netflix DVDs.

    Because, if you wanted a movie, you went, "Well, I'll order it on Netflix".

    Once Netflix streaming was around, even during the early days when their catalog was at its most impressive, if you were to ask, "I wonder if Netflix has...", the answer was, "no".

    It would be nice if we could get to a world where the content producers get paid by streamers, by some legally-required rate (like how music generally is), and the content producers can't control the content once it's released.

    Similar to how things work with the first-sale doctrine.

    Or, if that's not possible, have a time limit to things, so that something similar goes into effect after 2 to 5 years, after the company should have made most of the money they're ever going to make on it.

    And, honestly, copyright could last that long too, pretty reasonably, but that's a whole discussion on its own.

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  • From Nightfox@21:1/137 to Adept on Tuesday, December 10, 2024 12:06:49
    Re: Re: Ok .. Tyson or Jake?
    By: Adept to Nightfox on Tue Dec 10 2024 07:26 pm

    Once Netflix streaming was around, even during the early days when their catalog was at its most impressive, if you were to ask, "I wonder if Netflix has...", the answer was, "no".

    Yeah, I first tried Netflix streaming in 2011, thinking it would be an alternative to going to RedBox to rent movies as they came out for rent. But I soon found out that it wasn't like that.

    It would be nice if we could get to a world where the content producers get paid by streamers, by some legally-required rate (like how music generally is), and the content producers can't control the content once it's released.

    Yeah, something like that would probably be good.

    And, honestly, copyright could last that long too, pretty reasonably, but that's a whole discussion on its own.

    In the US, I think copyright for music & movies lasts 70 years after the author's (or producer's) death. It might apply to books too, but I don't remember for sure.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Nightfox on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 09:42:39
    And, honestly, copyright could last that long too, pretty reasonably, that's a whole discussion on its own.

    In the US, I think copyright for music & movies lasts 70 years after the author's (or producer's) death. It might apply to books too, but I don't remember for sure.

    Yeah, death + 70, or 95 years if it was made directly for a corporation.

    It gets a lot more complicated than that, with all the various things made before the various copyright extensions.

    And, due to lots of international agreements pushed by the US, the US version of copyright is fairly widely spread.

    And, yeah, my throwaway point was, if copyright lasted for 5 years, most of the money made from copyrighted things by the original makers would still be made.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Adept on Wednesday, December 11, 2024 08:55:00
    Hello Adept!

    And, yeah, my throwaway point was, if copyright lasted for
    5 years, most of the money made from copyrighted things by
    the original makers would still be made.

    There are many examples of cases where a work gains attention
    or a resurgence many years later. So.. to assume the initial 5
    yrs is when "most of the money is made" is not necessarily
    true.

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  • From Adept@21:2/108 to Ogg on Thursday, December 12, 2024 10:25:21
    And, yeah, my throwaway point was, if copyright lasted for
    5 years, most of the money made from copyrighted things by
    the original makers would still be made.

    There are many examples of cases where a work gains attention
    or a resurgence many years later. So.. to assume the initial 5
    yrs is when "most of the money is made" is not necessarily
    true.

    It is absolutely true in the way I meant it, which is that, for the total value produced by copyrighted works, "most of the money made from copyrighted things by the original makers would still be made" with a copyright of 5 years.

    This is likely to be true, because it has been reliably true in the past, and there's no reason to think it'll change.

    I was not making the argument that there are no exceptions, ever.

    Obviously, the estate of William Shakespeare would be making a killing, if copyright were forever, even if most of the rest of writing from that era would likely never be worth re-publishing or writing derivative works from.

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  • From Ogg@21:4/106.21 to Adept on Saturday, December 14, 2024 09:09:00
    Hello Adept!

    There are many examples of cases where a work gains attention
    or a resurgence many years later. So.. to assume the initial 5
    yrs is when "most of the money is made" is not necessarily
    true.

    It is absolutely true in the way I meant it, which is that,
    for the total value produced by copyrighted works, "most of
    the money made from copyrighted things by the original
    makers would still be made" with a copyright of 5 years.

    One example of what I speak.. Wonkey Donkey - was out of print
    for many years, until there was a video of a grandma reading
    the book to a kid. The publisher re-released the book and made
    a much bigger killing than originally.


    This is likely to be true, because it has been reliably
    true in the past, and there's no reason to think it'll
    change.

    It's probably an expectation, but not necessarily always true.
    It really depends on marketing.


    Obviously, the estate of William Shakespeare would be
    making a killing, if copyright were forever, even if most
    of the rest of writing from that era would likely never be
    worth re-publishing or writing derivative works from.

    I'm not talking about pothumus works.


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  • From apam@21:3/197 to Ogg on Sunday, December 15, 2024 07:18:04
    It's probably an expectation, but not necessarily always true.
    It really depends on marketing.

    It doesn't have to be always true for the average to be true.

    Andrew

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